This लेख is basically about something i keep seeing around the वाद-विवाद spot या on other वाद-विवाद मंचों and it is, in my opinion the rudest and most insulting thing आप can do in debate
no I am not talking about swearing
no I am not talking about denying the existence of someone's believes
no I am not even talking about flashing your opponent to distract them
I am talking about the one line comment
some of आप may be slightly confused as to why I get so annoyed द्वारा this so let me clear things up
I have no issue with people bringing up a new point that they have just summed up in a short space, I also have no issue with people making a टिप्पणी दे on the on going वाद-विवाद itself या with people just asking a सवाल या injecting a piece of new information, all them are perfectly worthy one line टिप्पणियाँ and contribute to the debate.
what I am complaining about (yes I am not denying this is just a big fat rant) is when someone writes a completly pointless one lined टिप्पणी दे in response to a well researched and thought out decent piece of debate, that someone has put effort in to.
These rude one liners might say something that has already been covered या something that has already been discredited in the above टिप्पणियाँ या something that is just plain ignorant and false, do आप get what I mean now?
I could go on to point fingers....or virtually shake some users but instead out of politeness I will make up an example for anyone still a little bit unsure as to where I am going with this
soo for example If the वाद-विवाद was
"this house believes that coca cola should be banned"
someone agreeing with this motion might research and say something along the lines of
"coca cola has been sued many times for containing unethical products such lindane, DDT, malathion and chlorpyrifos and other chemicals that can contribute to cancer and a breakdown of the immune system. It also contains many calories harmful to your weight and health and sugar and additives that are harmful to your teeth. There have also been studies that is physically addictive, while these have not been proven yet it does contain और caffeine that a regular cup of coffee. It is clear the company is unethical and unless it is shut down it will carry on to pollute people's bodies and buy it's way out having to obey laws"
now that was mainly some stuff I rephrased off good old wikipedia but if आप saw that and didn't know that surly आप would see this person has researched about the company, they have a valid point and have even ended it with a nice strong statement and have put a little effort in to their opinion
so isn't it so rude for someone to reply with any of the following
"why bother debating this, it's just a soda"
"NO WAY cola rocks!"
"prove it"
"cola doesn't harm anyone"
the first is just annoying, this the वाद-विवाद spot we can वाद-विवाद what ever we want, if I want to start a वाद-विवाद about "which is और boring; watching paint dry या listening to morons" and someone else is willing to argue the other side, then's it's a debate, might not be one आप are interested in but आप don't have to शामिल होइए in, आप don't have to say anything on the matter at all या even read it....although if your going to start making similar टिप्पणियाँ to the ones above आप would probably help the side I would be voting for.
वाद-विवाद doesn't have to be about huge life changing issue that effect the world. It doesn't have to be a complicated issue या a moral या ethical one
The definition of वाद-विवाद is simply
"To engage in an argument द्वारा discussing opposing points."
that means anything from abortion to types of तकिया can be debated
The सेकंड erm....yeah if your leaving टिप्पणियाँ like that in a none ironic way maybe I should say this slowly
That is not debating.
The third one, in no formal वाद-विवाद have I ever seen in any of the rules आप have to site your sources, most statistics and facts are manipulated to favor one side या the other, heck some are just plain made up for the hell of it. It's not the point, the point is how आप use that information in your arguement.
Of course आप have every right to सवाल someone's information but at least address why आप doubt it. And certainly don't have the cheek to leave a one line टिप्पणी दे saying
"where'd आप hear that from? it's actually blah blah blah!!!!!!!!"
with out stating your source!
The final one this is my ultimate pet peeve and टिप्पणियाँ like that is what inspired this whole whiny rant
why bother commenting if your not going to read the टिप्पणियाँ before you...in fact why should we read yours, I'm guessing most of us wouldn't bother except for the fact it's so short and simple we only have to accidentally glance at the screen and we involuntarily have read it.
Just because आप have thought one thing all your life doesn't make everyone else is wrong, just because a idea is radical doesn't make it wrong and just because आप think a one line टिप्पणी दे will make a decent point doesn't make it right.
If someone has stated a point with their own opinion, logic and facts, आप just denying that flat out would literally get laughed out of a वाद-विवाद competition....well at least in the English regionals आप would, I'm not kidding, debating brits in tweed are mean! Especially to morons.
I guess I better get to the actual point of this article.
I find it disrespectful to ignore someone if आप were talking to them in person and I find it just as disrespectful to do it here. आप wouldn't interrupt a conversation with something like "why are we bothering to talk about this" या "ha! well your wrong".
So please if आप really are a प्रशंसक of debate;
-Read what people have written
-think about your own responses
-think about new ideas
-keep a open mind
-remeber everything can be debated
-you don't have to talk about every point someone has brought up but at least acknowledge some of their comments
-don't presume your right because आप have picked the लोकप्रिय answer
-if आप want to re-visit a point, say आप feel it's और valid या holds और sway in the argument या आप just feel it hasn't been explored enough. There are many ways for आप to sneakily reuse a point and it's a good debating tatic
-related to last bullet point, don't be a तोता and mindlessly repeat things, some people are morons but most of us will notice the same point with just one word changed
-don't be scared to just state आप agree with someone या think someone has debated a certain point well
-also don't be scared to say आप don't really know, most people on here will be nice to enough to explain to आप या link आप to somewhere that will. There is one user on here who always says when she doesn't know and it take guts especially when there's plenty of people who also don't really know but like to pretend they do.
-remeber the last person to speak isn't always the right one
Anyways rant over for now, people will probably still make these incredibly rude टिप्पणियाँ that ignore and disrespect the पूर्व arguments but hopefully some of the people who weren't doing it intentionally might think about forming their arguments more
Sorry if I appear to have been rude या plain bitchy in this लेख and I am sure your sick of hearing me saying moron या being condescending but this लेख wasn't aimed at everyone, those of आप that it was aimed at know who आप are....possibly, maybe not, I might be over estimating you
but anyways आप are all perfectly welcome to वाद-विवाद my approach to this subject या whether these टिप्पणियाँ are worthy to debate.....but if आप make a completly pointless टिप्पणी दे just know while i am ignoring आप i will be whispering "moron" under my breath :)
no I am not talking about swearing
no I am not talking about denying the existence of someone's believes
no I am not even talking about flashing your opponent to distract them
I am talking about the one line comment
some of आप may be slightly confused as to why I get so annoyed द्वारा this so let me clear things up
I have no issue with people bringing up a new point that they have just summed up in a short space, I also have no issue with people making a टिप्पणी दे on the on going वाद-विवाद itself या with people just asking a सवाल या injecting a piece of new information, all them are perfectly worthy one line टिप्पणियाँ and contribute to the debate.
what I am complaining about (yes I am not denying this is just a big fat rant) is when someone writes a completly pointless one lined टिप्पणी दे in response to a well researched and thought out decent piece of debate, that someone has put effort in to.
These rude one liners might say something that has already been covered या something that has already been discredited in the above टिप्पणियाँ या something that is just plain ignorant and false, do आप get what I mean now?
I could go on to point fingers....or virtually shake some users but instead out of politeness I will make up an example for anyone still a little bit unsure as to where I am going with this
soo for example If the वाद-विवाद was
"this house believes that coca cola should be banned"
someone agreeing with this motion might research and say something along the lines of
"coca cola has been sued many times for containing unethical products such lindane, DDT, malathion and chlorpyrifos and other chemicals that can contribute to cancer and a breakdown of the immune system. It also contains many calories harmful to your weight and health and sugar and additives that are harmful to your teeth. There have also been studies that is physically addictive, while these have not been proven yet it does contain और caffeine that a regular cup of coffee. It is clear the company is unethical and unless it is shut down it will carry on to pollute people's bodies and buy it's way out having to obey laws"
now that was mainly some stuff I rephrased off good old wikipedia but if आप saw that and didn't know that surly आप would see this person has researched about the company, they have a valid point and have even ended it with a nice strong statement and have put a little effort in to their opinion
so isn't it so rude for someone to reply with any of the following
"why bother debating this, it's just a soda"
"NO WAY cola rocks!"
"prove it"
"cola doesn't harm anyone"
the first is just annoying, this the वाद-विवाद spot we can वाद-विवाद what ever we want, if I want to start a वाद-विवाद about "which is और boring; watching paint dry या listening to morons" and someone else is willing to argue the other side, then's it's a debate, might not be one आप are interested in but आप don't have to शामिल होइए in, आप don't have to say anything on the matter at all या even read it....although if your going to start making similar टिप्पणियाँ to the ones above आप would probably help the side I would be voting for.
वाद-विवाद doesn't have to be about huge life changing issue that effect the world. It doesn't have to be a complicated issue या a moral या ethical one
The definition of वाद-विवाद is simply
"To engage in an argument द्वारा discussing opposing points."
that means anything from abortion to types of तकिया can be debated
The सेकंड erm....yeah if your leaving टिप्पणियाँ like that in a none ironic way maybe I should say this slowly
That is not debating.
The third one, in no formal वाद-विवाद have I ever seen in any of the rules आप have to site your sources, most statistics and facts are manipulated to favor one side या the other, heck some are just plain made up for the hell of it. It's not the point, the point is how आप use that information in your arguement.
Of course आप have every right to सवाल someone's information but at least address why आप doubt it. And certainly don't have the cheek to leave a one line टिप्पणी दे saying
"where'd आप hear that from? it's actually blah blah blah!!!!!!!!"
with out stating your source!
The final one this is my ultimate pet peeve and टिप्पणियाँ like that is what inspired this whole whiny rant
why bother commenting if your not going to read the टिप्पणियाँ before you...in fact why should we read yours, I'm guessing most of us wouldn't bother except for the fact it's so short and simple we only have to accidentally glance at the screen and we involuntarily have read it.
Just because आप have thought one thing all your life doesn't make everyone else is wrong, just because a idea is radical doesn't make it wrong and just because आप think a one line टिप्पणी दे will make a decent point doesn't make it right.
If someone has stated a point with their own opinion, logic and facts, आप just denying that flat out would literally get laughed out of a वाद-विवाद competition....well at least in the English regionals आप would, I'm not kidding, debating brits in tweed are mean! Especially to morons.
I guess I better get to the actual point of this article.
I find it disrespectful to ignore someone if आप were talking to them in person and I find it just as disrespectful to do it here. आप wouldn't interrupt a conversation with something like "why are we bothering to talk about this" या "ha! well your wrong".
So please if आप really are a प्रशंसक of debate;
-Read what people have written
-think about your own responses
-think about new ideas
-keep a open mind
-remeber everything can be debated
-you don't have to talk about every point someone has brought up but at least acknowledge some of their comments
-don't presume your right because आप have picked the लोकप्रिय answer
-if आप want to re-visit a point, say आप feel it's और valid या holds और sway in the argument या आप just feel it hasn't been explored enough. There are many ways for आप to sneakily reuse a point and it's a good debating tatic
-related to last bullet point, don't be a तोता and mindlessly repeat things, some people are morons but most of us will notice the same point with just one word changed
-don't be scared to just state आप agree with someone या think someone has debated a certain point well
-also don't be scared to say आप don't really know, most people on here will be nice to enough to explain to आप या link आप to somewhere that will. There is one user on here who always says when she doesn't know and it take guts especially when there's plenty of people who also don't really know but like to pretend they do.
-remeber the last person to speak isn't always the right one
Anyways rant over for now, people will probably still make these incredibly rude टिप्पणियाँ that ignore and disrespect the पूर्व arguments but hopefully some of the people who weren't doing it intentionally might think about forming their arguments more
Sorry if I appear to have been rude या plain bitchy in this लेख and I am sure your sick of hearing me saying moron या being condescending but this लेख wasn't aimed at everyone, those of आप that it was aimed at know who आप are....possibly, maybe not, I might be over estimating you
but anyways आप are all perfectly welcome to वाद-विवाद my approach to this subject या whether these टिप्पणियाँ are worthy to debate.....but if आप make a completly pointless टिप्पणी दे just know while i am ignoring आप i will be whispering "moron" under my breath :)
