The Bible on Homosexuality 

Saying that the Bible says something is wrong doesn't make it wrong for the whole world.

Actually it does, but you have to allow yourself to understand it on the whole & much deeper than what you want to admit to yourself.

I haven't got near enough coffee in my system to tackle everything that is wrong with that article...

I will say that people who believe that crap scare me.

I say good insight into religion, bad insight into the universal conception of morality. All in all, four stars from me.

Afraid of conviction, DrDevience? I know a lot of people hate God and His Word because it goes against much of what people want to do to ruin their own lives, but that's just how it is.

"Homosexuality is a choice, not a genetic predisposition"

I disagree, i don't remember making an active choice to be straight, perhaps you will say that is because it is natural to be straight, but then are you saying i could choose to be gay? Because that's just not true, you either find a member of the same sex sexually attractive or you don't. It is impossible to force your self to find someone sexually attractive.
As far as the bible goes, i feel it is full of contradictions, it was written by men, not god. I think it is more likely that the men who wrote the bible were in some way frighted of the idea of homosexuality.
The fact is it does occur naturally which makes it natural.

Mmmm... three stars. Thank you for sharing, but I didn't like their image of morality.

I also disagree with it.

The Bible was written by INSPIRATION of God. But, I am not surprised people miss this simple, yet vast, concept. Lucifer, after his fall and becoming Satan, took many angels with him and they became demons. They influenced mankind with this disgusting idea of being attracted to the same sex, and many fell for the lie. Simple to understand.
The reason it SEEMS natural is that the only thing Satan cannot do that God can is create life, thus understandably, made the illusion of homosexuality.

MajorDork74: I disagree. First off, I'm not Christian, and Christianity is the only religion I know of which has ANYTHING against homosexuality. That in itself says something. But, back to the point. Homosexuality is about how your brain works. Now, I'm casting the idea of the Bible aside for a moment, and taking a look at Jesus himself. Wasn't his message about LOVE? How LOVE is the most important thing, and how LOVE conquers all? Well, homosexuality is still a form of love. It may be a different form of love than what is considered to be "normal", but it is still love. Do you mean to say that you believe hatred should win over love because a book tells you? Isn't hatred supposed to be what Satan is all about, and love is what God is all about? So... it doesn't make sense...

But I'm Jewish, and as far as I know, Jews don't have a problem with homosexual people, as is true with almost every other religion I can think of. Because love is love, and what's wrong with love? Hatred is what's wrong. Love isn't, though. Any form of true love is good, yes?

Jesus love was about pure love, brotherly love, and that has nothing to do with homosexuality. There's love, then there's perversity. Homosexuality is perversity. And I spoke nothing of hatred except to hate a lifestyle. Homosexuality is a spiritual disease. You do not have to be Christian to understand that. Islam has something against homosexuality, ask Ahmadinejad.
The Holy Bible explain the evils of homosexuality. Try reading it again and with not just an open mind, but an open heart.
God hates the very sight of homosexuality, but loves the people. He hurts when He sees peopl doing wrong, and that goes for the lifestyle of homosexuality just as much. Even the Hebrew Bible has the same thing as the Christian Bible. The only difference is that, and I am sure it has been discussed, the Hebrew Bible only lists the Old Testament, not the new one.
"Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin."
That is how I see it. They can live as they want, just don't bring it my way. Perhaps, one day, people will see.

...I need a new keyboard....

^ lol
^^ I understand what you mean about the love the sinner hate the sin angle, but I disagree with the homosexuality equals pervesity (paraphrasing, of course) thing. The majority of homosexual couples I have seen are loving towards one another. And there are extremely perverse, love filled couples that are straight too, so I think that's a bit of a weak argument.

That's what they'll lead you to believe. But the truth is being hidden. But to each their own, I suppose.

What do you mean? No-one is leading me to believe anything. These are my own observations.

I really wish you'd start responding to me with something other than 'that's what they'll lead you to think' or 'the truth is hidden'.
I don't think there is such a thing as a 'spiritual disease'. Just a different spiritual compass.

"Jesus preached and talked against a whole gamut of sins. He never mentioned homosexuality at all." (Jimmy Carter)

You quote Jimmy Carter? I do believe that is a lame liberal democrat come-back. Of course he would say something like that, seeing as he is one of the most liberal of democrats. The only one who beats him at liberalism is Obama. MissKnowItAll, why do you want me to use anther tactic? Do you want me to lie and agree to your 'spiritual compass' thing? Sorry, I cannot. I know homosexuality is a spiritual disease.

When did I ask you to all of a sudden agree with me? I'm saying that I'd like you to respond with a proper answer instead of telling me that I just believe what I'm told. You have no idea how often my parents play devils advocate with me so my views are my own.

Believe what you want, but i'm trying to have a proper debate here, and you are making it hard.

^ Sorry, it's still me (Missknowitall). My sister forgot to sign out. It's me.

"I do believe that is a lame liberal democrat come-back."

Suit yourself. Just throwing it out there, as I'm fairly certain it's true. Now, I am not Christian, and I don't agree with much of the Bible, but I DO follow Jesus Christ's teachings--and I'm bisexual. (If, in fact, Jesus DID talk of homosexuality, and I am naive and have missed it in my reading and studying of the Bible, please quote and I'll give you that.)

^ The Bible never actually said 'homosexuality', as the word didn't exist when it was written. So the question is, what word did it replace?

Homosexuality is what mankind has decided to label what the Bible does talk about. "A man shall not lay with a man as he does a woman." I know it says that in there somewhere, I remember reading it in Bible study. And if someone says that it does not apply to homosexual women, think again. You should have the common sense to know it applies to both sides! But, I am aware that common sense is not as common as it is supposed to be. There should be no debate about this, it is pretty cut-and-dry. If anyone believes otherwise, then the Bible-believers/God's Faithful are not at fault here. It just proves that mankind is gullible enough to believe the dangerously ultra-sublte influences of Lucifer. If you don't believe, that's your problem, not mine.
Good luck when the Lord returns.
Genesis 19: 1-13 is one reference. Another, I believe, is Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13......another is Romans 1:26-27.....1 Corinthians 6:9. Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When people continue in sin and unbelief, God “gives them over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of God.
God does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that people become homosexuals because of sin (Romans 1:24-27) and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as some people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person’s choosing to sin by giving in to sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger/rage, does that make it right for him to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true with homosexuality.
However, the Bible does not describe homosexuality as a “greater” sin than any other. All sin is offensive to God. Homosexuality is just one of the many things listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that will keep a person from the kingdom of God. According to the Bible, God’s forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, thief, etc. God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Philippians 4:13).

Heck, research this stuff for yourself & see. I did. I am still praying to God & Jesus about my sins. We're ALL sinners, no one is exempt. Well I am done here, for now...........

The bible said a lot of things that we don't follow today; like woman being less than men. Back then, it was inappropriate for woman to have a say in anything, even how many children they had. Is that practice still alive today? Not here in America. Back than anyone who wasn't considered "white" was subhuman, just one step above women. Is that still practiced today? Not to that extent. Back then, people were stoned to death for any type of sin. Not practiced today. The bible was not written by God or Jesus. It was written by a bunch of old white guys who interpreted Jesus' word.

I follow Jesus' message; Do unto others as you would have done unto you. I don't want anyone to tell me who I can and can't love, or that I have some "disease" because I love someone they don't think I should. So, I don't do it. Homosexuality isn't a disease, just as Heterosexuality isn't.

You want to quote the bible, MajorDork74? Well, here's some quotes about judging that you seem to have conveniently forgotten:

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you." Matthew 7:1-5

"Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven." Luke 6:37

"Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?" James 4:11-12

And doesn't the bible say "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a foot for a foot"? Well, if were going on what the bible says, you should have your rights taken away from you, you should be called names and told that your way of life is wrong is "spiritually" corrupt, that you can't marry the person you love because it's wrong. Because that's what your doing to others. An eye for an eye, right? So says the bible.

It's not my place to judge others on how they live your life and it's no one elses place either. It's funny how these things tend to get left out when people argue what the bible says and doesn't say.

^ ♥ Brilliant!

Thank you ^ :) Wow, ahah, I didn't realize how long that was. Guess I'm really in the mood to debate today.

I laugh at the way people love to misinterpret the Bible & the way I say things. It shows ignorance towards the truth, the Word of God. Just because you do not follow it does not mean it does not apply to you. It applies to EVERYONE. So do not pretend it doesn't apply to you. I don't judge people. I state the facts & it is up to you to choose between God's Way and Satan's way. Want to take your foot out of your mouth now, bri-marie? And when I say disease, I do not mean physical or psychological, I meant spiritual. **shakes head**
I see how quickly people put up a defense, especialy concerning Biblical ways. I suppose some people will never realize the difference between true, pure love and the perversity of Lucifer's beloved tool of homosexuality (and bisexuality). So, bri-marie, still want to try picking and choosing from the Bible, or use the entire thing for your lifestyle? Funny thing is, you cannot pick and choose what applies to you & what doesn't.
I do not judge. But you sure are. I am always applying the Bible to my life. I tell people stuff because I want to see them improve their lives....by God's way. I pray for everyone, the entire world. The funny thing is, the way I have chosen is God's way, I am a man who married a woman. If God chose to remove my rights, He would have. There is no way to apply God's teachings to defend the perverse way. Not to mention that you're trying to apply the Old Testament to defend the evil ways. It cannot be done. You're trying to redefine the Bible for your own desires, which will backfire.
How can one be accusd of something that has not happened? I am not accusing anyone of anything. So, you still want to try accusing me of judging? You also forget that the very lifestyle you care to protect corrupts the minds and hearts of the children. That is against Biblical ways.
So do not pretend the Bible doesn't apply. And you may as well give up on trying to use it against itself.

A disease is a disease, whether it be spiritual, mental, physical, psychological, or sexual.
So, because I believe a different interpretation of God's word (a way that gives everyone equal rights) I'm suddenly following Satan's word? Really? I don't think it works that way. I believe in God, I love him. I talk to him constantly and I, in various ways, am given signs that He hears and answers me. Not once, in my entire life, have I ever been given any indication that my supporting the rights of Homosexuals has gone against what He wants for me. Much in the same way He is not giving any signs (or, at least, not to any of the Homosexuals I know) to the Homosexuals that what they are doing is against His plan.
In what way did I misinterpret the bible? In the way where I'm open-minded? In the way where I don't shove my beliefs down others throats and tell them they are "following Satan's way" if they don't conform to my idea of perfection?
By saying that someone needs to "improve" their life because you think it needs changed, you are judging. Who are you to say anyone needs to change? That's God's job. You want to hand a Homosexual the bible and tell them God is a wonderful being - go ahead. But saying they are wrong in what they are doing, in the way they are living, is judging.
God created man. He created woman. He created dogs and cats and elephants. He created some of us to love members of the same sex. He created it in animals and He created it in humans. It's His plan that they be that way.
A man loving a man isn't perverse. A sixty-four year old man loving a six year old girl in a non-platonic way is perverse. A woman loving a dog in a sexual way is perverse. A brother loving his sister (in a familial/non-platonic way)is perverse.

There are some animals that are gay. Like seagulls- they go gay at the smell of petrol. Just thought I'd put that out there.

The Bible is a collection of books put together at a council (I'm not too sure of the name). Anyway, some influential people got together and decided which books to put into the 'finished' Bible. This means that the books in there are in there for political reasons, and not nessesarily (sp?) religious or spiritual reasons. We need to ask ourselves, what books were missed out?

And I agree that you are judging. My personal opinion is that the Bible isn't strictly all God's word, and that things about homosexuality etc are in there because people didn't understand them, and by giving them a moral definition they felt as if they could.

I know you will hate on me about this, and say t's a 'flimsy liberal defence' or whatever, but I think that using a book as your only defence is not so great a defence in the end.

MajorDork74: People cherry-pick messages out of the Bible to make their prejudice "justified". People like you don't want to ADMIT that you're just narrow-minded and hateful for no good reason, so you FIND a reason that DOENS'T EXIST to hate.

You're also saying that everyone, even those who aren't Christian, should follow the Bible. Why? I'm not Christian. I don't believe in "The Devil" which is everything evil. I don't believe that Jesus was the son of God in the sense you're probably thinking. I believe in my religion. Buddhists believe in their religion. Muslims believe in their religion. Wiccans believe in their religion. Does that make us all evil because we aren't following the Bible word for word? Of course not!

Besides, I know a lot of people who are gay, and they are just as good people (and sometimes better) than some of the straight people that I know. They are LOVING. They love DIFFERENTLY. We should CELEBRATE differences, not HATE them. Jesus was all about accepting others for their differences. In fact, he was actually a minority during his life! His messages were about LOVE.

Besides, even if Jesus IS the son of God, just hypothetically, you need to remember that Jesus did not write the Bible. Jesus was Jewish. His FOLLOWERS wrote the Bible. Were his FOLLOWERS the ones God was talking to? How do you know they weren't prejudice against certain races and conformed in thought? They could have written ANYTHING in the Bible and claim it to be God's word. You don't know that that is what Jesus would have written. He spoke of LOVE. He was known for NOT HATING. By HATING, you are completely defeating the purpose of his messages and USING him, which is a terrible thing to do to your religion.

@ MajorDork74, I'v Only Read Two Of Your Comments, When I Became SICK! Why Would Our God, The One Who Is All About Love , Condemn Someone For Mearly Loving Another?! We All Interpret The Bible In Different Ways And It's Been written Over SO MANY Times That The Original Text Is Lost! Love Is The Most Powerful Thing God Has Given Us, And ALL Love Is The Same! It's Not The Homosexuals That Are Closed From The Kingdom Of God, It's Anyone (Homo, Or HeteroSexual) That Treats Sex Like A Toy That Will Be Closed Off Until Repentance! Gender Dosn't Matter So Stop Acting Like You Know Everything That The Bible Means! And If I Remember Right The Bible Also Says That A Man Must love A Woman As He Loves Himself, Which Means That He Is Loving Himself With That Same Love,So What Do You Make Of That?! I Am Not A Lesbian, But I Am Bisexual, And A Christian! So this Offends Me Deeply! Do You Have To Be Of A Different Gender Just To Fall In Love On An Emotional Level!?(Wich Is What TRUE Love Is Supposed to Be) You Only Become Homosexual If You Fall In Love(Definition: Deep Emotional Connection That Has Nothing To Do With Gender) With A Person Of The Same Gender! God Won't Hate You For Loving The Bible Won't Tell You That, Some Things, You Must Learn With Your Heart, And NOT Text That Has Been Altered In The First Place!

....Why are people debating over someone's religious beliefs? :/
You do know that this most likely won't end well for anybody?

THREE THINGS you shouldn't argue over;
Politics
Religion
Abortion

Because neither side will likely cave and admit they're wrong, or give up on their beliefs within each scenario (well, this may be less likely for abortion...but still). Just my input :/

Um, I must be a horrible party guest because I debate all of those things all the time.

It's not about "caving" or proving someone wrong, it's about an exchange of ideas. I never enter into a debate with the goal in mind of getting my opponent to confess that they're wrong and I'm right. That's a tall order, not to mention arrogant to assume my philosophy is worth more than their philosophy. It isn't - different perspectives come from different experiences of the world, and because I cannot experience everything, that's why I debate. To see the world from a different point of view.