ok so, about like 4-5 months पूर्व i was on the oth spot and i found this मंच that's called: 'Time to duke it out! Leyton vs Brucas!
so i went through the forum, cause i wanted to see how people fought for their couple, so to speak lol. but anyways द्वारा some of the stuff i saw on there i was very proud of how the ब्रूकस प्रशंसकों fought for their couple, and was a little taken a back on how leyton प्रशंसकों fought for their couple. so at this point i decided i would write my opinion on the greatness that is brucas, and the suckiness (sp?) that is leyton.
and this is what i wrote:
BRUCAS FAN!!
I’m going to post my opinions on earlier post that I’ve read:
-ok first of all always being happy in a relationship is NOT real!! in order to have the happy times आप have to have hard times to get to those good times and to fully enjoy them!! in brooke and lucas' relationship sure they fought, sure they weren't always happy, sure they didn't always believe in the others feelings for eachother...but thats what makes them THEM...going through those difficult times together which led up to the happy bl moments is what a relationship is all about!! And before आप say anything about lp going through hard times too…them breaking numerous hearts to get where they are today, doesn’t work in my books!! All leyton ever really were were happy…we kept on seeing the cheesy, after cheesy, after और cheesy…which doesn’t make any sense cause in a NORMAL relationship there has to be fights!! Trust me I know this is a show, but to make a couple come off your screen as real, don’t they have to have the things that REAL couples go through?? And leyton just doesn’t have that imo!!
-you guys say that brooke threw herself at lucas in season one even though she knew that leyton had a thing going on…sure she did that; brooke’s stubborn, and goes after what she wants until she gets it; but in the words of brooke ‘lucas was fair game!’…brooke told peyton that if she had any feelings for lucas then she would back off, and peyton कहा no, so brooke took that as the go ahead to!! आप guys make it sound like such a bad thing that brooke threw herself at lucas at one point in time…but in season 5 didn’t peyton throw HERSELF at lucas while he was with Lindsay, या while he was with brooke in s1 and s3?? The only differences between the two is that lucas was single the time brooke went after him, and that lucas was with people the times that peyton went after him…I mean does lucas have to be with someone to make it ok in your guys’ eyes??
-which leads me onto my अगला point the only time peyton ever suddenly had these realizations that she’s in प्यार with lucas was when lucas was taken!! NOT once did she go after him while he was single!!
-when your with the person that your meant to be with, the person that आप couldn’t imagine living without…isn’t that person suppose to make आप a better person, not a horrible one?? Cause with leyton they made each other horrible people…they NEVER brought good out in the other!!
-you guys say that even brooke knew that leyton were meant to be, so much so that she broke up with lucas cause leyton were inevitable, that brooke’s प्यार just isn’t as strong for lucas like peyton’s is…but imo brooke breaking up with lucas in s4 proves the total opposite!! When आप are truly irrevocably in प्यार with someone, no matter how happy that person makes you, आप will give that person up cause the only thing that matters to आप is that persons happiness…and imo that’s exactly what brooke did!! Not once did peyton do that!!
-one of आप कहा ’Lucas loved Peyton right from the very beginning.’…How do आप प्यार someone that आप don’t even know?! Sure I’ll say that he was infatuated with her in the beginning and that he liked her, but he NEVER loved her, at least not until s4!!
I hope this all make sense…and not just a jumble of my tired thoughts, lmao!! Maybe later I’ll come back and throw out और of my देखा गया on certain subjects, but as for now, I’m to tired to type anymore!!
so i finish that post it, and leave it alone...than sometime i later i go back and see that a leyton प्रशंसक that went against what i said, and i've got say what she wrote REALLY REALLY pissed me off!!
anyways this is what TBSAC wrote:
^ ok first of all, Peyton "throwing herself" at Lucas were TOTALLY different situations from when Brooke threw herself at him in season 1. When Peyton did it, there were real feelings there. she knew that Lucas truly wanted to be with her. He was hiding with Brooke, just like he was hiding with Lindsey. Peyton persuing him was all about TRUE, real feelings coming to light... and Peyton fighting for what she knew was meant to be, to both her and Lucas. Brooke on the other hand, was just trying to sleep with Lucas when she threw herself at him in season 1. She tried to lie, and manipulate her way between 2 people that she knew truly wanted to be together. And all for the sake of what? Sex? Yeah.... Peyton never did that. It's not about whether या not Lucas was officially fair game या single at the time. It's about what Brooke and peytons intentions were, and how Lucas was FEELING at the time. He truly wanted to be with Peyton when she persued him... she was just trying to get him to stop hiding. But Lucas wanted nothing to do with Brooke in season 1, and she knew that. He truly had feelings for Peyton, and she knew that. But she was still determined to pry her way between them, purely for shallow reasons, like Lucas being hot and wanting to sleep with him lol. Brookes intentions were shallow, and emotionless. But peytons intentions were the opposite. She really WANTED something with someone that she knew wanted her back. So yes, BIG difference between the two
secondly, I agree that it's normal to bicker, या even fight every now and then in relationships. HOWEVER, in my opinion there is a difference between just normal fighting, and the CONSTANT questioning द्वारा Brooke of Lucas' प्यार for her. ब्रूकस took the term "fighting" to a whole other level. A level that makes it impossible for me to see them as a "normal, real couple" या "meant to be". I'm sorry, but if आप numerously have to ask your boyfriend to prove to आप why he loves you, are having non stop insecurities throughout your relationship, and are constantly being pushed to the back burner द्वारा another girl... then something isn't right.
That's not what true प्यार and happiness is about. It's not about putting other people's needs and feelings before your partner's needs. It's not about questioning your partner's प्यार for आप time and time again. Questioning it once या maybe twice I can see. But after Lucas first saw that Brooke was questioning things, he should have made it a point from then on to prove to Brooke on his own that SHE was the one he loved, and made her feelings his priority. But he never went out of his way to make Brooke feel #1, या showed her on his own that he loved her, या WHY he did. So those doubts for Brooke NEVER went away. That's not a normal and healthy relationship. Doubting your boyfriends feelings for आप the whole time आप are together? That sure isn't what I consider as strong, true, lasting प्यार
And I'm sorry but saying that Brooke was SO in प्यार with Lucas in season 4, that she "let him go" because she wanted him to be happy doesn't make any sense to me. Especially when आप earlier कहा that Brooke is stubborn, and fights for what she WANTS. If Brooke really was SO in प्यार with Lucas, doesn't that mean that she would want to be with him, and therefore (according to you) fight to be with him? But she didn't fight to be with him. Not once. Sure she may have still loved him at the time of their breakup, but saying that her loving him was the REASON for her breaking up with him is kind of a ridiculous and denial-ish statement in my opinion. As proven on screen, she broke up with Lucas because she was tired of not feeling like a priority to him, and tired of not feeling needed द्वारा him. she wasn't happy in the relationship. Period.
Then, to further prove my point... afterwards, during the बास्केटबाल, बास्केटबॉल, बास्केट बॉल banquet episode, Brooke asked Lucas to the banquet out of spite because of Peyton. It wasn't because she was still in प्यार with him. Which was made perfectly clear throughout the whole episode (such as Rachel saying to Brooke regarding their breakup "or maybe आप just realized that आप didn't प्यार him anymore").
She didn't want to be with Lucas anymore, she was just using him to play immature games at that point. even purposely seating her and Lucas at the same तालिका, टेबल as Peyton to try and prove some point, या rub it in peytons face. doesn't sound like प्यार to me. Sounds like she was just stringing him along for the sake of pissing off peyton, and having the upperhand in some way. She even कहा herself "I gave आप Lucas and I can take him back whenever I want". What is that?? Peyton saw right through that statement and was right when she responded "if आप get back with Lucas आप better mean it, because he deserves to be with someone who loves him". Brookes motive at that point was not प्यार for Lucas, but purely just trying to drag their relationship out as long as she could, to get under peytons skin. That whole episode was about proving to us that Brucas' feelings for eachother just weren't there anymore, and them knowing that being together wasn't right, या meant to be.
So even if आप want to believe that the first breakup was because she loved him, that's NOT the reason for their सेकंड official विभाजित करें, विभक्त करें at the banquet, या the reason that they didn't end up together. The reason that they officially became OVER was because her and Lucas realized that they were not meant to be, and that their प्यार for eachother wasn't strong enough to last and overcome all obstacles thrown at them. They realized that there were other people out there that could make eachother happier than THEY made eachother. they both just wanted to be genuinely, strongly in प्यार and HAPPY. and they knew that they just weren't meant to have that kind of relationship... so they moved on. Period. It wasn't a matter of their प्यार being SO strong for eachother that they sacrificed being together for the sake of wanting eachother to be truly happy lol, (that concept doesn't even make sense. If they loved eachother THAT much, shouldn't they be able to overcome all of these obstacles and find happiness TOGETHER, instead of "letting eachother go" to be happy with someone else?) It was a matter of their प्यार not being strong ENOUGH, and other very common, typical reasons that cause couples to split. happens every day... and it happened with Brucas
at the time, i was on the ब्रूकस प्रशंसक Girls and a Guy मंच and i needed to vent about it, and thats exactly what i did...i decided that i wasn't going to write back to that, cause i didn't want to give her the satisfaction of how pissed off she made me.
i don't know why now, but i was on the oth spot looking through the मंचों and found it, so i decided to go on it again, and reread what i read before and got pissed off all over again lol! but instead of लेखन back on that मंच about how some of the things she कहा was rediculous, i decided instead i would write an लेख about what she said.
so these are my thoughts on what she said:
-It's not about whether या not Lucas was officially fair game या single at the time. It's about what Brooke and peytons intentions were, and how Lucas was FEELING at the time. ok seriously did she really just go there!! trying to make what lucas/peyton did, cheating right?! it has EVERYTHING to do with whether या not lucas was fair game या not at the time. no matter how different the intentions may या may not have been has nothing to do with it!! sure, maybe, brooke did go after lucas for the wrong reasons, BUT than she fell for him, and stayed with him for being 'L-O-V-E mad crushed out!'...i mean when nathan first pursued haley, wasn't his intentions shady, but didn't he end up falling for her in the end!! He truly wanted to be with Peyton when she persued him... she was just trying to get him to stop hiding. maybe in s1 thats true, but it DOESN'T make it right!! and if i remember correctly in s3 lucas was extremely happy with brooke, and in s4 was trying to get her back, but he got the misfortune of peyton saying she would help him, when instead she was only trying to help herself out cause she was 'in love' with him.
- HOWEVER, in my opinion there is a difference between just normal fighting, and the CONSTANT questioning द्वारा Brooke of Lucas' प्यार for her. wouldn't anyone else सवाल the guys प्यार for you, if he CHEATED on आप previously?! thats the whole reason WHY she questioned it, she wanted him to PROVE to her that this time it was real, that this time he wanted to be with her 'NOT peyton!' and आप know what he DID do that time and time again! But he never went out of his way to make Brooke feel #1, या showed her on his own that he loved her, या WHY he did. i guess apparently this is lucas NOT दिखा रहा है brooke that he loved her: 'i wanna be with you, brooke', 'i'm the guy for you, brooke davis', 'i wanna be with आप brooke, NOT peyton', 'i barely knew her last year, and now i can't remember life around here without her', 'i wasn't ready to loose आप yet', 'anything for you'...and like i कहा before all of those moments are exactly what makes them THEM!!
-And I'm sorry but saying that Brooke was SO in प्यार with Lucas in season 4, that she "let him go" because she wanted him to be happy doesn't make any sense to me. Especially when आप earlier कहा that Brooke is stubborn, and fights for what she WANTS. If Brooke really was SO in प्यार with Lucas, doesn't that mean that she would want to be with him, and therefore (according to you) fight to be with him? well आप know what, i'm not surprised that that doesn't make any sense to her!! brooke does FIGHT for what she wants, but not if she thinks that she has the opportunity to make her bf happy and the man that she loves happy...she would RATHER put her OWN happiness on the back burner, and see the people she loves the most happy, even if it does break her heart!! and personally i believe that lucas was HIDING with peyton in s4, cause he couldn't be with brooke!!
-and as for now, i don't have the time to respond to those other rediculous statements, cause i have my nieces softball game i have to go to, but i'll come back later on sometime and finish this!!
~D
so i went through the forum, cause i wanted to see how people fought for their couple, so to speak lol. but anyways द्वारा some of the stuff i saw on there i was very proud of how the ब्रूकस प्रशंसकों fought for their couple, and was a little taken a back on how leyton प्रशंसकों fought for their couple. so at this point i decided i would write my opinion on the greatness that is brucas, and the suckiness (sp?) that is leyton.
and this is what i wrote:
BRUCAS FAN!!
I’m going to post my opinions on earlier post that I’ve read:
-ok first of all always being happy in a relationship is NOT real!! in order to have the happy times आप have to have hard times to get to those good times and to fully enjoy them!! in brooke and lucas' relationship sure they fought, sure they weren't always happy, sure they didn't always believe in the others feelings for eachother...but thats what makes them THEM...going through those difficult times together which led up to the happy bl moments is what a relationship is all about!! And before आप say anything about lp going through hard times too…them breaking numerous hearts to get where they are today, doesn’t work in my books!! All leyton ever really were were happy…we kept on seeing the cheesy, after cheesy, after और cheesy…which doesn’t make any sense cause in a NORMAL relationship there has to be fights!! Trust me I know this is a show, but to make a couple come off your screen as real, don’t they have to have the things that REAL couples go through?? And leyton just doesn’t have that imo!!
-you guys say that brooke threw herself at lucas in season one even though she knew that leyton had a thing going on…sure she did that; brooke’s stubborn, and goes after what she wants until she gets it; but in the words of brooke ‘lucas was fair game!’…brooke told peyton that if she had any feelings for lucas then she would back off, and peyton कहा no, so brooke took that as the go ahead to!! आप guys make it sound like such a bad thing that brooke threw herself at lucas at one point in time…but in season 5 didn’t peyton throw HERSELF at lucas while he was with Lindsay, या while he was with brooke in s1 and s3?? The only differences between the two is that lucas was single the time brooke went after him, and that lucas was with people the times that peyton went after him…I mean does lucas have to be with someone to make it ok in your guys’ eyes??
-which leads me onto my अगला point the only time peyton ever suddenly had these realizations that she’s in प्यार with lucas was when lucas was taken!! NOT once did she go after him while he was single!!
-when your with the person that your meant to be with, the person that आप couldn’t imagine living without…isn’t that person suppose to make आप a better person, not a horrible one?? Cause with leyton they made each other horrible people…they NEVER brought good out in the other!!
-you guys say that even brooke knew that leyton were meant to be, so much so that she broke up with lucas cause leyton were inevitable, that brooke’s प्यार just isn’t as strong for lucas like peyton’s is…but imo brooke breaking up with lucas in s4 proves the total opposite!! When आप are truly irrevocably in प्यार with someone, no matter how happy that person makes you, आप will give that person up cause the only thing that matters to आप is that persons happiness…and imo that’s exactly what brooke did!! Not once did peyton do that!!
-one of आप कहा ’Lucas loved Peyton right from the very beginning.’…How do आप प्यार someone that आप don’t even know?! Sure I’ll say that he was infatuated with her in the beginning and that he liked her, but he NEVER loved her, at least not until s4!!
I hope this all make sense…and not just a jumble of my tired thoughts, lmao!! Maybe later I’ll come back and throw out और of my देखा गया on certain subjects, but as for now, I’m to tired to type anymore!!
so i finish that post it, and leave it alone...than sometime i later i go back and see that a leyton प्रशंसक that went against what i said, and i've got say what she wrote REALLY REALLY pissed me off!!
anyways this is what TBSAC wrote:
^ ok first of all, Peyton "throwing herself" at Lucas were TOTALLY different situations from when Brooke threw herself at him in season 1. When Peyton did it, there were real feelings there. she knew that Lucas truly wanted to be with her. He was hiding with Brooke, just like he was hiding with Lindsey. Peyton persuing him was all about TRUE, real feelings coming to light... and Peyton fighting for what she knew was meant to be, to both her and Lucas. Brooke on the other hand, was just trying to sleep with Lucas when she threw herself at him in season 1. She tried to lie, and manipulate her way between 2 people that she knew truly wanted to be together. And all for the sake of what? Sex? Yeah.... Peyton never did that. It's not about whether या not Lucas was officially fair game या single at the time. It's about what Brooke and peytons intentions were, and how Lucas was FEELING at the time. He truly wanted to be with Peyton when she persued him... she was just trying to get him to stop hiding. But Lucas wanted nothing to do with Brooke in season 1, and she knew that. He truly had feelings for Peyton, and she knew that. But she was still determined to pry her way between them, purely for shallow reasons, like Lucas being hot and wanting to sleep with him lol. Brookes intentions were shallow, and emotionless. But peytons intentions were the opposite. She really WANTED something with someone that she knew wanted her back. So yes, BIG difference between the two
secondly, I agree that it's normal to bicker, या even fight every now and then in relationships. HOWEVER, in my opinion there is a difference between just normal fighting, and the CONSTANT questioning द्वारा Brooke of Lucas' प्यार for her. ब्रूकस took the term "fighting" to a whole other level. A level that makes it impossible for me to see them as a "normal, real couple" या "meant to be". I'm sorry, but if आप numerously have to ask your boyfriend to prove to आप why he loves you, are having non stop insecurities throughout your relationship, and are constantly being pushed to the back burner द्वारा another girl... then something isn't right.
That's not what true प्यार and happiness is about. It's not about putting other people's needs and feelings before your partner's needs. It's not about questioning your partner's प्यार for आप time and time again. Questioning it once या maybe twice I can see. But after Lucas first saw that Brooke was questioning things, he should have made it a point from then on to prove to Brooke on his own that SHE was the one he loved, and made her feelings his priority. But he never went out of his way to make Brooke feel #1, या showed her on his own that he loved her, या WHY he did. So those doubts for Brooke NEVER went away. That's not a normal and healthy relationship. Doubting your boyfriends feelings for आप the whole time आप are together? That sure isn't what I consider as strong, true, lasting प्यार
And I'm sorry but saying that Brooke was SO in प्यार with Lucas in season 4, that she "let him go" because she wanted him to be happy doesn't make any sense to me. Especially when आप earlier कहा that Brooke is stubborn, and fights for what she WANTS. If Brooke really was SO in प्यार with Lucas, doesn't that mean that she would want to be with him, and therefore (according to you) fight to be with him? But she didn't fight to be with him. Not once. Sure she may have still loved him at the time of their breakup, but saying that her loving him was the REASON for her breaking up with him is kind of a ridiculous and denial-ish statement in my opinion. As proven on screen, she broke up with Lucas because she was tired of not feeling like a priority to him, and tired of not feeling needed द्वारा him. she wasn't happy in the relationship. Period.
Then, to further prove my point... afterwards, during the बास्केटबाल, बास्केटबॉल, बास्केट बॉल banquet episode, Brooke asked Lucas to the banquet out of spite because of Peyton. It wasn't because she was still in प्यार with him. Which was made perfectly clear throughout the whole episode (such as Rachel saying to Brooke regarding their breakup "or maybe आप just realized that आप didn't प्यार him anymore").
She didn't want to be with Lucas anymore, she was just using him to play immature games at that point. even purposely seating her and Lucas at the same तालिका, टेबल as Peyton to try and prove some point, या rub it in peytons face. doesn't sound like प्यार to me. Sounds like she was just stringing him along for the sake of pissing off peyton, and having the upperhand in some way. She even कहा herself "I gave आप Lucas and I can take him back whenever I want". What is that?? Peyton saw right through that statement and was right when she responded "if आप get back with Lucas आप better mean it, because he deserves to be with someone who loves him". Brookes motive at that point was not प्यार for Lucas, but purely just trying to drag their relationship out as long as she could, to get under peytons skin. That whole episode was about proving to us that Brucas' feelings for eachother just weren't there anymore, and them knowing that being together wasn't right, या meant to be.
So even if आप want to believe that the first breakup was because she loved him, that's NOT the reason for their सेकंड official विभाजित करें, विभक्त करें at the banquet, या the reason that they didn't end up together. The reason that they officially became OVER was because her and Lucas realized that they were not meant to be, and that their प्यार for eachother wasn't strong enough to last and overcome all obstacles thrown at them. They realized that there were other people out there that could make eachother happier than THEY made eachother. they both just wanted to be genuinely, strongly in प्यार and HAPPY. and they knew that they just weren't meant to have that kind of relationship... so they moved on. Period. It wasn't a matter of their प्यार being SO strong for eachother that they sacrificed being together for the sake of wanting eachother to be truly happy lol, (that concept doesn't even make sense. If they loved eachother THAT much, shouldn't they be able to overcome all of these obstacles and find happiness TOGETHER, instead of "letting eachother go" to be happy with someone else?) It was a matter of their प्यार not being strong ENOUGH, and other very common, typical reasons that cause couples to split. happens every day... and it happened with Brucas
at the time, i was on the ब्रूकस प्रशंसक Girls and a Guy मंच and i needed to vent about it, and thats exactly what i did...i decided that i wasn't going to write back to that, cause i didn't want to give her the satisfaction of how pissed off she made me.
i don't know why now, but i was on the oth spot looking through the मंचों and found it, so i decided to go on it again, and reread what i read before and got pissed off all over again lol! but instead of लेखन back on that मंच about how some of the things she कहा was rediculous, i decided instead i would write an लेख about what she said.
so these are my thoughts on what she said:
-It's not about whether या not Lucas was officially fair game या single at the time. It's about what Brooke and peytons intentions were, and how Lucas was FEELING at the time. ok seriously did she really just go there!! trying to make what lucas/peyton did, cheating right?! it has EVERYTHING to do with whether या not lucas was fair game या not at the time. no matter how different the intentions may या may not have been has nothing to do with it!! sure, maybe, brooke did go after lucas for the wrong reasons, BUT than she fell for him, and stayed with him for being 'L-O-V-E mad crushed out!'...i mean when nathan first pursued haley, wasn't his intentions shady, but didn't he end up falling for her in the end!! He truly wanted to be with Peyton when she persued him... she was just trying to get him to stop hiding. maybe in s1 thats true, but it DOESN'T make it right!! and if i remember correctly in s3 lucas was extremely happy with brooke, and in s4 was trying to get her back, but he got the misfortune of peyton saying she would help him, when instead she was only trying to help herself out cause she was 'in love' with him.
- HOWEVER, in my opinion there is a difference between just normal fighting, and the CONSTANT questioning द्वारा Brooke of Lucas' प्यार for her. wouldn't anyone else सवाल the guys प्यार for you, if he CHEATED on आप previously?! thats the whole reason WHY she questioned it, she wanted him to PROVE to her that this time it was real, that this time he wanted to be with her 'NOT peyton!' and आप know what he DID do that time and time again! But he never went out of his way to make Brooke feel #1, या showed her on his own that he loved her, या WHY he did. i guess apparently this is lucas NOT दिखा रहा है brooke that he loved her: 'i wanna be with you, brooke', 'i'm the guy for you, brooke davis', 'i wanna be with आप brooke, NOT peyton', 'i barely knew her last year, and now i can't remember life around here without her', 'i wasn't ready to loose आप yet', 'anything for you'...and like i कहा before all of those moments are exactly what makes them THEM!!
-And I'm sorry but saying that Brooke was SO in प्यार with Lucas in season 4, that she "let him go" because she wanted him to be happy doesn't make any sense to me. Especially when आप earlier कहा that Brooke is stubborn, and fights for what she WANTS. If Brooke really was SO in प्यार with Lucas, doesn't that mean that she would want to be with him, and therefore (according to you) fight to be with him? well आप know what, i'm not surprised that that doesn't make any sense to her!! brooke does FIGHT for what she wants, but not if she thinks that she has the opportunity to make her bf happy and the man that she loves happy...she would RATHER put her OWN happiness on the back burner, and see the people she loves the most happy, even if it does break her heart!! and personally i believe that lucas was HIDING with peyton in s4, cause he couldn't be with brooke!!
-and as for now, i don't have the time to respond to those other rediculous statements, cause i have my nieces softball game i have to go to, but i'll come back later on sometime and finish this!!
~D