हैरी पॉटर बनाम ट्वाइलाइट Article: Bella Swan--Not a Mary-Sue

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posted by Ravenclaw2001

Let's just get this straight before आप go harping on my लेख because I'm a Twitard. Because I'm not. I'm just getting a little sick of Bella हंस being called "too perfect". She's perfect about to the extent that I am a Twilight fan. Which is to say, not at all.

OK, Let me tell आप a story about a REAL Mary-Sue.

Once upon a time, there was a girl named ऐनस्टेशिया B. Ana was in 6th grade, she was tiny for the age of ten (she skipped kindergarten), she was absolutely adorable, and she was in Gifted and 7th grade math. Boys all loved her, and she could crochet, knit, and she had perfect handwriting. She could play the शहनाई, क्लैरिनेट well and she was an avid reader. She was also very religious and sweet, never disrespecting her friends.

Does Bella हंस seem so perfect now? And now let's see what Mrs. Cullen/Swan has to say for herself.

Once upon a time,there was a girl named Bella Swan. She was beautiful and all the boys wanted her. She was smart and was horrible to her friends. She could play no musical instrument, and her handwriting is anybody's guess. Her religion is not mentioned enough to stick in my head, and when she got a boyfriend, her फ्रेंड्स left her only because she left them. She relies on her boyfriend for everything, and when he leaves her, she jumps off cliffs to hear his voice.

Does she sound so Mary-Sueish compared to Anastasia? And here's the twist: ऐनस्टेशिया is an actual person. Mary-Sues aren't just in books.

Here's my conclusion:

Bella हंस was written to be perfect. The small hints of her leading a perfect life, having no problems and consequences, etc. were meant to make her perfect. She was written as a Mary-Sue, probably unintentionally, and yet failed miserably.

PS... to zanhar1: Thank आप for making that point in my original draft. I changed it and really appreciate the tip. Thanks!

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zanhar1 I feel like there are different types of Sues, some more severe than others. Like Bloom from Winx is super bad. Then there's your scenario. With Bella; while yes she does bad not perfect things she usually gets away with it in the end--a tell tale sign of a Sue. Another buggy is the fact that she's described as really pretty and smart and is really popular but then sees herself as socially awkward and anti-social when she is not. She has two men and at one point three fighting for her. Even though she blew them off her friends still seemed to come back to her. Not trying to be hateful, you have some good points, I just disagree.

luv_warriorcatz Bella is written no differently than the other ten thousand sues in The Pit (fanfiction.net). The only difference is that Twilight is published and acknowledged as legit novel, which is worse.

Ravenclaw2001 I agree. I think she's written to be perfect, which is even worse, but doesn't quite pull it off. Yeah, I see what I did wrong now zanhar1, I was just getting sick of people saying she was perfect. I DO think she's supposed to be erect though. She's just a jerk and can't quite pull it off.

Ravenclaw2001 Wow. I just realized that I stated my point like 3 times in that last comment :P. Thanks for the reviews! And, luv_wariorcatz, do you agree or disagree? I wasn't sure and I just wanted to know. Thanks!

Ravenclaw2001 Ok, I revised it. See my bottom paragraph. Thanks @zanhar1!

cassie-1-2-3 Stephenie has flat out said Bella wasn't perfect, which strongly implies that she wan't written to be perfect. I don't think there is any stronger source.

Ravenclaw2001 I'm not saying she WAS written to be perfect, but all her writing shows that she was, and failed rather laughably. She seemed to be, and this article is written as an opinion for a reason. PS: People lie.

luv_warriorcatz To elaborate, Bella is the self-insert sue; the shy, modest brunette who likes to "read", preferably classic literature, and somehow attracts the hot guy, for some arcane reason. It's typical YA romance fiction. Now, Bella down, indeed, turn into a "perfect" sue after she turns to a vampire, which probably turned off fans.

zanhar1 @Ravenclaw No worries you didn't do anything wrong. ^_^ But no problem, and thanks for taking the tip. :D

cassie-1-2-3 [i]I'm not saying she WAS written to be perfect[/i] Oh, my mistake, I got confused by the sentence "Bella Swan was written to be perfect." in the article. But this time, let's take actual evidence from the story and not just our imaginations. There's a quote by Bella at the very beginning of the first book that goes "I do a good job of blocking painful, unnecessary things from my memory." This quote alone is actually very contrary to "small hints of her leading a perfect life, having no problems [or] consequences" I guess Bella's horrible flaw here was not dwelling on bad things and not complaining as much as she could have?

FallingWitch *claps*

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The Height of Stupidity

posted by DivyaHarry

Firstly, this is not my article. I found it over the internet and pasted it here because I find it really hard to believe that there are people like this in the world who are completely ignorant या just plain stupid.

The e-mail was apparently from Kayla Patterson, a die hard Twilight/Taylor Lautner प्रशंसक upset about Universal Pictures ripping off the werewolf idea from Twilight.

To whom this may concern:

This movie was a complete waste and I feel that it offends ALL Twilight प्रशंसकों around the world, that including myself. For one, it was a COMPLETE remaking of the भेड़िया Pack from the Twilight Saga:...

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Response to "Analysis of the Opposite!"

posted by XDRoseLuvsHP

Hmm... this could take a while. Haha, I have a lot of reasons for my strong dislike of Twilight. Before I start, I'd just like to explain that I was once a Twilight fan, so I've read all the पुस्तकें and stuff, but I just can't stand it anymore. Therefore, I can give a और complete explanation of my views. Sorry if it's really ridiculously long.

First reason I hate Twilight: the media. Twilight, in all honesty, isn't a great book. I have read worse पुस्तकें (though not many... Twilight was pretty bad). However, if Twilighters and Twilight लेखाए and such weren't all "OMG ITS THE MOST AMAZING SERIES...

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Comparison: Stephenie Meyer and Voldemort

posted by XDRoseLuvsHP

Voldemort is notorious for his fear of death. To avoid death, he is willing to kill innocent people and destroy his very soul.

Now, everyone with any sense knows that Bella is a Mary Sue, and Stephenie Meyer desperately wants to be Bella. I even personally know quite a few Twilight प्रशंसकों who realize and accept this. And what does Bella want? She wants to become a vampire.

Here is some commonly known knowledge about वैंपायर (according to Meyer):

-Kill innocents for survival
-Practically immortal
-Possibly lose their souls, though this is not known for sure

We see Voldemort killing innocents for survival....

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My Review of Twilight and it प्रशंसकों

posted by Kersian

Okay now I will begin off with something that has really begin to get on my nerve. How Twilight प्रशंसकों write out their लेखाए on why they like Twilight. Not just लेखाए other things too. I will give आप and example of one: "For people.....blah blah blah." Like these. Who are they directing these too exactly? I know some the शीर्षक says it, but they expect only those sort of people to respond. Pff yeah right. I see that kind of शीर्षक I go in and see what kind moronic things they have to say.

Most Twilight प्रशंसकों I see on this site lack the skills in proper grammar. Okay first if आप ever want...

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Old twilight प्रशंसक writes about harry potter

posted by nati30

This लेख was actually wriiten द्वारा an ex-twilighter(iloveyoudarling), not me, and i dont like the way she wrote it, cuz it is kinda rude, but i पोस्टेड it so that maybe some twilighters here could consider giving harry potter a chance because the लेख proves that even though आप प्यार twilight there COULD be a better book out there:
Dear Twilight fans,

I was आप one day. Addicted to Twilight and couldnt ever stop पढ़ना it even if i had already read it 4 times. But trust me on this one will you. READ ANOTHER BOOOK!!! AFTER आप DO THAT TWILIGHT WILL SEEM LIKE A STUPID ROMANCE STORY.

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How Twilight and Harry Potter can't really be compared...

posted by TheCiaranTaylor

So I have heard/read a LOT of arguments over this topic, and I find it ridiculous. Here are some reasons why they can't be compared with each other:

1- लेखन styles. Rowling writes in a descriptive third-person, whereas Meyer writes in a first-person account of a seventeen साल old girl. आप can't expect Bella to talk like a professional poet of some sort, I doubt many average teenage girls do that.

2- Plot. Harry Potter is mainly about wizards and fighting. Twilight is about वैंपायर and romance... Totally the same (Major burning sarcasm).

3- Audience. Harry Potter is aimed for children. Before...