because I have no negative comments on mulan

she is on top of my list.

She is my #1.

I can't think of anything negative about her. Just maybe that she should have studied better instead of cheating for the matchmaker.

my only slight criticism for Mulan and why I don't raise her higher is because I think she is sliiiiightly ever-so bland. A bit of her personality rests on her actions, we don't see a lot of her, and part of that is due to the circumstances she is placed in. I also feel like Mulan may be hard to relate to, so if you rank princesses partially due to relatability, Mulan may have some emotional distance.

She is my #5. Her insecurity and self-hatred is sometimes a bit annoying. Concerning relatability, I relate to her a lot.

I find the hype for her as a character doesn't match up with her actual personality. Similarly to what PL said, people usually like her actions more than her real personality, which is kind of bland.

Also, I find her a little whiny and self-pitying in Reflection. She's basically complaining that nobody thinks she's wonderful, but why would they? She doesn't in the beginning put much effort into anything she does; she takes shortcuts because, well, she's lazy. Also, while fans constantly insult other DPs in order to praise Mulan and how independent and tough she is, she got a ton of help with it all. Also, this is more of a fandom thing, but it annoys me that she's so praised for being strong and independent when she was wiling to marry a stranger for her family. Not because I don't think it was selfess, but Aurora gets knocked for the same thing all the time.

So while none of this is really bad in a character, it's not very interesting to me either (not to mention, the rabid misogyny from a good chunk of her fandom is a big turnoff, even though she herself isn't to blame for that), leading her to stay in my bottom 3.

^i actually agree with a lot of that.

^^I actually agree with a lot of that as well. You made some great points!

^^^Never though about that but I agree.

^^ I don't agree with that. Snow White gets helped by the woodland creatures, the dwarfs, and the prince. Aurora gets helped by Phillip and the fairies. Cinderella gets helped by the fairy godmother, Bruno, and the mice. Ariel gets helped by flounder, sebastian, triton, and eric. Belle sure gets helped by Phillipe the horse, all of the cursed furniture and chip the teacup. Jasmine gets helped by Aladdin, carpet, and abu. Pocahontas gets helped by meeko, flit, grandmother willow, and John smith. Tiana gets helped by Ray, Naveen, Louis, and mama odie. Rapunzel gets helped by pascal, maximus, and eugene. Merida gets helped by elinor and her three brothers. Elsa gets helped by anna, olaf, sven, and kristoff. Moana gets helped by hei-hei, muai, and grandma tala ( in spirit form).


Just because you don't relate to Mulan's personality, doesn't mean that other princesses don't get help, and aren't BLAND. I really don't get how you can single out Mulan for the VERY SAME THINGS ( tantrums ( Tiana and Merida), pity-partys ( Belle throws a lot of them, and so do Aurora and Ariel), selflessness ( Belle is NOT more selfless than Mulan, oh God, no!, and neither is Moana), and needing male help ( EVERY DANG FEMALE IN DISNEY HAS MALE HELP!!!!!!)

So to say that Mulan gets help --- and that makes her a worse character--- is just blatantly IGNORING all the TIMES other Disney characters GET HELP achiving their dreams and overcoming obstacles. What a COMPLETE LOAD of rubbish, Audreyfreak.

Maybe it seems like "rubbish" because you didn't read all of what I said. I nowhere said she was bad. I said I find her BLAND. This is a poll asking for reasons why you DON'T care for her. If you can't handle criticism of her, why read it? I said nothing insulting of her and even praised her selflessness and you act like I called her a Nazi or something. People don't need to love Mulan. She gets more love and respect than most of the DPs so one person not loving her isn't hurting her.

Also, most of the other girls don't get praised as she does for being totally self reliant/strong/independent so that's a faulty comparison. Quite the opposite, Snow, Cinderella, Aurora, and often Jasmine and Elsa are called weak and need rescued.

Seriously, this is why fanpop loses fans. Some of you are completely rabid when faced with opinions you don't like and overreact. It drives people away. Learn to tolerate differences.

^ if your argument was "sound" then I would not have spoken up. but your argument is not based on logic, and at looking at every princess.

If you had said, "I find her bland and don't relate to her personality at all" then that would have been a true statement. But the rest of your argument is not accurate.

Me tolerating differences of opinion is not something you get to decide. I tolerate people bashing ariel all the time. But using misinformation about any princess is not going to get me to give your post a pass.

The thing about Mulan is that a lot of the independent things she does doesn't rely on others, in fact, other follow her to help. With most of the other princesses, they rely on others for their independence. So I think there's faults in both of your thinking.
I never saw reflection as a pity party, I saw it as Mulan being upset than she fails to live up to others expectations and she feels conflicted - she takes shortcuts to impress her family in the beginning because part of her wants to be true to herself so if she wants to impress her family by getting married she wants to do it her own way. But it doesn't work so she feels like even by being herself a little bit, she fails. that's a heavy burden and one I relate to.
I think Mulan and auroras marriage situations were totally different , Aurora didn't have a lifetime of pressure to get married and honor placed on her.
Mushu does provide the initial push for Mulan with training but she takes charge after that and every plan after that is orchestrated by her.
What I will say is Mulan is almost infallible and I didn't like when she beat Shang in fighting and also ran ahead of all the soldiers during training - then we are stepping into territory I don't like, making a woman almost superhuman in her strength because filmmakers think it's a character quality. It's unrealistic she would suddenly become the star soldier in that regard because she wouldn't outpace all the others. And yes, by the end she's still a bit subservient considering she still only cares about impressing her dad and doesn't value her great accomplishments unless her dad does. These are things that slightly bother me because she was supposed to learn that she was good enough for herself.
I think a good point is made that sometimes Mulan is compared to the other princesses as being better because she was more of a hero, but that's a fandom problem and doesn't affect
my opinion of her.
I think Mulan has a bit of stock kick-butt personality but I still adore her and in certain respects find her very unique. I also think she has a big ego, proven when she decides to stay in camp after she gets kicked out and when she ignores orders several times (which I love, personally, but I can see how it would annoy others) .

Basically, you are angry about Mulan's popularity ( when she has so many of the same traits as the other princess do). Audreyfreak, I am not responsible for Mulan's popularity, nor the popularity of any other princess in the lineup. If you're angry at the fanbase, then that's one thing. Making up stuff about Mulan ( when other princesses do the exact same things) doesn't really lend anymore credence to what you're saying. I will accept that you hate Mulan because of her fanbase and popularity, though ( because that's logical and how I feel about some princesses, too).

@audreyfreak: I agree with a lot of your points on Mulan, and I've never been a huge fan of Reflection (sooooo boring) but I'm not sure that's a fair interpretation of the song. It's not that Mulan expects people to see her as a perfect bride/daughter/whatever and she's salty that they don't; it's more that she's upset that there's so much pressure on her to perform those roles in the first place, when she's clearly not cut out for it and feels they have nothing to do with who she really is.

also, don't let wavesurf ruin fanpop for you :)

also pt 2: in the poll title, "lower" than what?

@unholyhoise- lower on your list. not lower than anything. in the lower portion of your list.

Completely agree with everything princesslullaby said here. I wouldn't really consider Reflection a "pity-party", but her character is dangerously close to a Mary Sue imo.

^agreed

I actually admire her to be able to rise above her own faults, become serious about life when it was needed and staying true to herself. I dont agree that Reflection is a "self-pitying" song at all. It is what it is "reflection" on her wants vs. expectation from her family. She is basically trying to understand if she should become what her family wants her to be or should stay true to her own personna.
Anyways, i admire her a lot. She's modest, learns from her mistakes and feels like a normal person who is troubled in life with societal expectations and her struggle to rise in it through unconventional ways.