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वाद-विवाद time! Is homosexuality moral या immoral? Why? Explain

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I'm not saying it immoral. I'm just going to give some logics. These are the logics that some people gave me. Okay, here : I will argue against homosexual acts on the basis of classical natural law. I will also attempt to preempt several common objections to natural law ethics. What Is Natural Law? According to natural law ethics, morality is grounded in natural facts about what constitutes proper functioning for rational agents. Hence when the natural law theorist speak of what is "natural," he refers to what is proper for a दिया organism. Similarly, "unnatural" refers to what is not proper for a दिया organism. The goal of a moral life is to live excellently. This is achieved when our acts align with how we ought to function दिया the kind of being we are. Consider a knife. Because it is the kind of thing whose proper function is cutting, we call it good if it cuts well and bad if it doesn't. The conditions for its flourishing are set द्वारा its nature. Likewise, because the दिल is a type of thing oriented toward pumping blood as its purpose, a दिल which pumps blood well is a good heart, whereas one that is impaired is bad. We see from these examples that goodness and badness are attributive properties
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prophet69 said:
Morality is quite simply a सवाल of ethics . . . of right and wrong . . . of conscience and consequence.
The only time that morality should find itself concerned with sexuality, is when ethical, legal या criminal issues are involved, such asconsent, coercion, abuse, etc.
Morally, I DON'T think that being sexually attracted to the same sex is a problem.
Morally, I DO believe that promiscuity, unsafe या "at-risk" sexual behavior, infidelity, sex-addiction, relationship abuse, degradation and sexual violence ARE immoral.
Regardless of the gender a person is attracted to, EVERYBODY should be held to the same moral standards,and personally, I think those standards should be relatively high.
If people would only put sexuality in its proper context, and treat it with respect, dignity and self-control, then it wouldn't be a problem. The argument about homosexuality being bad cause it would stop the reproduction of the species isn't as ridiculous as the 20% guy tries to make it sound (I mean, द्वारा the same principle if it's actually just a minor percentage of people who kill that means killing is OK),but both arguments start from a wrong approach: while homosexuality might (if universally practiced) lead to the extinction of the species (and this, supposing that people don't find ways to reproduce regardless of sexual preferences, which is also false since today reproduction doesn't require sexual activity, just a needle, some sperm and an ovary), it doesn't technically harm anyone around you, and therefore there's no moral issue here (just like there's no moral issue with impotence, which is also something people have to face without having chosen to). To put it in other words, swimming across the pacific isn't immoral , even if it would probably lead to the extinction of those who attempted it.
The सवाल is not about homosexuality being useful, या productive, या cool, या aesthetically pleasant. It's about it being immoral . And द्वारा the basic criterion for the distinction of all things between moral and immoral (does it harm anyone?), homosexuality (or homosexual acts ) isn't immoral , regardless of what a 3000 साल old book might say. Reproduction can't happen if one partner is infertile. I guess infertility is pretty immoral, द्वारा the "logic" presented here. If we're only "meant to" use our sexual organs for reproduction, it's immoral to perform oral sex. It's immoral to masturbate. It's immoral to have a smear test, so it sucks to be all those women who'd like to avoid dying of cervical cancer.
There is absolutely no logical argument to suggest that homosexuality is immoral. At all.
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bri-marie said:
Neither. Sexualities are abstract concept and cannot be moral या immoral. They're amoral. :D

There is no set definition of moral. There is no set definition of immoral. It varies from person to person, sate to state, country to country. For me, things that cause physical, mental, emotional, या sexual harm are immoral.

Two consenting people partaking in a relationship (sexual या otherwise) isn't causing any harm and, therefore, isn't immoral.
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You're right, a concept is not capable of being definied as moral या immoral. It woudl be similar to defining an object as moral या immoral - there's nothing implicit to a concept या object that makes it moral या immoral. Morality and immorality are how we define actions, not objects या thougts.
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I also agree with this, Bri-marie. XD
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whiteflame55 said:
It depends on how आप define morality, at least to a certain extent. In my view, morality is achieved या लॉस्ट based on actions, not states of being. Morality hinges on what we do, not on who या what we are, on the basis that each and every one of us can be moral through our actions. If an inextricable part of us is immoral, then we can never truly act morally.

So if it comes down to action, some might say that the activities associated with homosexuality are immoral. But the sexual acts that homosexuals engage in are not demonstrably different from what heterosexuals engage in. Some might argue that the fact that those sexual acts are between two men या women alone is enough to make it immoral, but since no harm is caused to others beyond that of perception, I would say that this isn't a moral harm on its face.

So that leaves only one possibility for moral harm, and that is what actions they are made likelier to engage in. This might sound strange, but there's a point to be made here that seems to make sense, which is that homosexuals tend to sleep with और individuals on the whole than heterosexuals, increasing the spread of STDs. There is perceivable harm there, something tangible, even if its the result of consensual sex (since the person getting the STDs very likely doesn't know that their partner has them). But the problem there is one of blaming the victim. This tends to occur और often for them because they cannot get married in most countries, and are ostracized द्वारा their communities. It seems relatively likely that this behavior would disappear in societies where their marriages are completely accepted and treated equally, and where monogamous couples are encouraged.
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A good answer! I agree wholeheartedly.
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aholic said:
I'm shocked this is even a सवाल for debate. I know it's forbidden to be homosexual in many countries but in the western, civilized world there is no doubt that there's nothing wrong with being homosexual, and anybody who doubts it is very much comparable to Hitler.
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"Hitler" opens up a new hole of debate. There is no standard for good and bad. Hitler is a bad person to many of us. Hitler is a great person to some people too. It's a matter of opinion.
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Well, there actually is doubt about it in the western world too. And why shouldn't itbe in debate? There's a lot of controversy on this topic.
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Two things. One, merely feeling that homosexuality is immoral is hardly comparable to Hitler. There's a pretty solid line between feeling something is immoral and advocating to kill everyone who takes part in it. Throwing around the Hitler comparisons on topics like this only serves to water down the example provided द्वारा Holocaust. Two, why the shock? It's an issue in the public eye, one where there's an awful lot of disagreement. The U.S. has और states than not that don't allow gay marriage, and a lot of the reasons for that are based in moral concerns. So we should discuss it, and encourage the people who feel this way to explain themselves. If anything, the fact that आप feel such anger towards this perspective is all the और reason to improve discourse. We will get no where if both sides just hate each other.
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@aholic: How wrong आप are! @whiteflame: Exactly.
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blackpanther666 said:
No. I'm not going to write an essay on it, plenty others have already done so. I'll explain it simply. Homosexuality is not a choice (which I wrongly टिप्पणी जोड़ा गया हे that it was once and regret doing so), but something that just is. Moreover, it is not possible to ascribe a sense of morality या immorality to, because it is an abstract concept, as has been कहा already. The fact remains, people try to justify their hatred या intolerance to the concept द्वारा thinking that morality, या immorality should have a place within this concept. Homosexuality is okay, because people should be allowed to indulge in something instinctual and possibly hereditary like thus. To call homosexuality 'immoral' is to call heterosexuality 'immoral' because they are essentially the same base instinct, just modified/changed slightly.
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