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Warning: This is quite long.

Before I begin, I would like to say that this is my personal opinion along with evidence to support my opinion. आप are free to disagree with me, but please, no hating. Also, please do not accuse me of not पढ़ना the books. I have read each of the novels in the Twilight "Saga", from Twilight to Breaking Dawn. I have also read all of the Harry Potter पुस्तकें (numerous times), from Philosophers Stone to Deathly Hallows.

It annoys me enormously, hearing people say that Twilight is better than Harry Potter. I personally believe that Harry Potter overshadows Twilight in every area, in every way, shape and form. I look at reasons why Twilighters think that Twilight is better than Harry Potter, and here is what I see:

-Because Edward is so hot! Harry is ugly!
-Twilight is और realistic!
-Twilight has और love!

I do not think that a book is amazing just because a character is gorgeous. In fact, I think that the fact that all the good guys are beautiful in Twilight is really arrogant and reflects very poor things about Stephenie Meyer. In Harry Potter, आप have some good guys that are beautiful and others that are not so nice looking. For example, Luna Lovegood and Cedric Diggory are supposed to be very pleasant to look at, but characters such as Mad-Eye Moody are... not so nice looking. Yet Mad-Eye is still, undoubtably, a very good character.

Twilight is द्वारा no means और realistic than Harry Potter. Yes, I know, Harry Potter has magic, Twilight takes place in a real setting. First thing: the "logic" in Twilight is embarrasing. It is clear that Meyer did as little research as possible, not really thinking things through before deciding what happens. Harry Potter, on the other hand, does not need logic. It's magic! Secondly, the characters of Harry Potter are a lot और realistic that those of Twilight. Besides being well developed, the characters of Harry Potter are not passing for "perfect". Each one has flaws and strengths, and each reacts appropriately for different situations. Twilight, on the other hand, is extremely unrealistic when it comes to character reactions. For example, Bella is one of the least likable characters of all time (I will get to her later on, though), yet everyone seems to प्यार and ADORE her. In fact, anybody who does not प्यार her either changes their mind later on या is viewed as a bad guy, a bitch, या extraordinarily shallow. Also, did आप notice that in Forks High School, there are only two cliques? The लोकप्रिय Folks and The Vampires? Not to mention, the two groups merge into one in the end. At Hogwarts, आप have Gryffindors, Hufflepuffs, Ravenclaws, Slytherins, Quidditch Players, Pranksters, Extreme Studiers, Dumbledore's Army, प्रशंसक Girls, Rich Folk, Death Eaters To Be, Bullies, Outcasts, the सूची goes on.

Another thing: Twilight does not have love. Bella does not प्यार Edward. She would never have even looked twice at him if he weren't oh so gorgeous. It is pure lust. Same goes for Edward. If she didn't smell so wonderful, do आप think he would have cared? If he could read her thoughts, he would be repulsed. As for the whole Imprinting thing? It is an excuse, an easy way out, a way for Meyer to make Jacob fall in "love" with Renesmee without looking like a pedophile. In Harry Potter, there are all different types of love. There is romantic प्यार (Ron and Hermione are the cutest couple on the face of the earth! And there's failed relationships, look at Harry and Cho. Haha), प्यार of फ्रेंड्स (Harry would die for his friends, and they would do the same for him), unrequited प्यार (if आप weren't touched द्वारा Snape's story, आप must be heartless!), motherly प्यार (Lily dying to save Harry, Molly Weasley killing Bellatrix for her प्यार of फ्रेड and Ginny), and all sorts of things. If आप want to talk romance, though, let me tell you; Ron and Hermione fell in प्यार slowly through the years. They didn't know each other for, what, one week? then say "Oh, I am eternally in प्यार with you! आप are my one true love!" They are in love, not overpowered lust.

Let's talk about Bella, now shall we? She is the definiiton of a Mary Sue. Self insert is evident to an extreme, and she is supposedly "flawless". All of the characters प्यार her, despite all the horrible things she does to them. I mean, how can Jacob still like her after all the things she's done to that poor guy? She is also a slut. She goes off and kisses a guy who isn't her boyfriend, leading him on every other page, then doesn't hesitate to dump him and break his heart, even though she "cares" so much about him. She abuses all of her friends. Can आप really blame Jessica for not wanting to be फ्रेंड्स with Bella anymore? She saw that Bella just uses her फ्रेंड्स when it benefits her, then dumps them like trash, not caring one bit about them या any of their problems या anything, and still has the nerve to expect them to remain loyal to her, and if they don't, they are "bad friends". Abusive, much? She is also extremely selfish and unbelievably whiny. She complains about how "horrible" her life is, when really, she is just extremely ungrateful. All she does is whine, that is, when she isn't rambling endlessly about how pretty her boyfriend is.

Now I want to talk about Edward. People say they प्यार him so much, but let me ask आप this: how many प्रशंसकों would still प्यार him this much if he were ugly? I would say, oh, maybe .001% at best? Of course, Bella wouldn't even spare a सेकंड glance at him if he weren't supermodel gorgeous, so there would be no story, but that is beside the point. Edward is also abusive. I know, he's never hit her. I mean he is emotionally abusive. He toys with her emotions to get his way. He dominates her, controlling who she can and cannot see, what she can and cannot do, where she can and cannot go. He is also a stalker. He follows her around and breaks into her house at night to watch her sleep. That is just creepy. Of course, he is hot, so that must mean he's in प्यार with her, right? Um, not so much.

Let's get Harry Potter back into this. I would like to point out that Harry Potter, unlike Twilight, actually has a plot. It lasts through all the books, the main theme being to defeat Voldemort and his followers, with subplots in each book. In fact, there are sub-subplots, even sub-sub-subplots. There are details that seem minor या irrelevant that all turn out to be of extreme importance in the end. Twilight? What is the main plot of the first book? Talking about how beautiful your boyfriend is is NOT a plot. The whole thing with James and his "dangerous" clan seems to be और of an "oh, whoops! I forgot to add a plot! Let's just throw this thing in quickly, and we'll call it a plot." Very quick and lazy, with little detail and a resolution that comes far too easily. सेकंड book? She sulks around for the majority of the book, and the plot seems, once again, to be a forgotten thing thrown in quickly. In Eclipse, आप could argue that there is a plot. Victoria wants revenge on Bella and Edward. The problem is, the plot goes nowhere until the very end, where it is, once again, resolved way too easily. The Cullens went into their big fight knowing they would all come out alive and well, and that is exactly what happened. No risks, no sacrifice. In Breaking Dawn, there were two different plots. The first was having the baby, Renesmee, who shouldn't have existed in the first place. The अगला plot is extremely disappointing. They build up to the huge climax, and what happens? Their ultimate battle ends in conversation. The Cullens don't give up anything, and it's way too much of a happily ever after. Pretty pathetic, if आप ask me.

Let's address the anti-feminism of Twilight. It is extremely anti-feminist. Bella can't do ANYTHING for herself, and she always need Edward या Jacob coming to the rescue. Edward and Jacob are both extremely strong and fast so they can control her. Why are the female वैंपायर unable to have babies, while male वैंपायर can if they mate with a human? Besides being illogical, it's anti-feminist. Even Alice, who's supposed to be a good fighter, depends completely on her abilities. If they are taken away, she has nothing. The male vampires, however, can still fight without their powers. Also, she goes into super-depressed mode when her boyfriend dumps her. That's understandable. But how long does she stay there? Over four months. That is ridiculous. And the only thing to raise her out of her depression is having another guy obsessing over her. What is this constant need for a man in her life? Even on her free time, what does she do? She happily cooks and cleans for her father, who sits on the सोफ़ा, सोफे watching football, drinking beer, cleaning his gun. How is this not anti-feminist? In Harry Potter, however, Hermione is very capable, and Harry and Ron would not have made it to the end of the series if it weren't for her. They depend on her just as much as she depends on them. Ginny is also a very capable girl. She can fight for herself, she doesn't need a man constantly looking after her. In fact, all the Harry Potter females are just as capable as the males are. Also, when Ron leaves Hermione in Deathly Hallows, she becomes very upset, but she moves on. She never really gets over it, but she moves on with her life. She realizes it is not the end of the world, and if she hadn't gotten her act together, Voldemort may not have been defeated. When Harry leaves Ginny, she is upset, but doesn't go suicidal about it. She moves on, she continues to treat her फ्रेंड्स right, she moves on.

One final note now. I want to go over messages. In Twilight, there are no good messages. If there are, please name one and then use evidence! Do not just make claims. But as of this point, I have not found one single good message of Twilight. And no, "stalking is hot" does NOT count as a good message, and neither does "if आप do not have a man in your life, there is not point in living". "Pedophilia is okay as long as आप have an excuse" doesn't count either. In Harry Potter, there are good messages weaved in all over the place. There are messages about what fear can do to people, how fear can easily turn into hatred या ignorance. There are messages about how प्यार is the most powerful thing in the world. There are messages about friendship, about life, about death, about working hard, about greed, about loss, and especially about growing up.

I could go on, but I'm getting tired now. I think I've made my point. Remember, this is just my opinion. I backed up my opinion with evidence so that it could become a strong argument, and anyone is free to disagree. Just no hating please. HARRY POTTER RULES!!!!!!!! XD
posted by HaleyDewit
Bella
My name is Bella and there’s something I need to tell
I’m dating this cute vampire, he’s just hot as hell
He’s fascinated द्वारा my none existing mind
And I fall apart whenever I stare in those liquid topaz eyes

Edward
My name is Edward and there’s something I need to say
Bella’s gonna freak when she finds out I’m gay
But I can clearly understand what she sees in me
Because have आप ever met someone this perfectly

Bella
I used to live in Phoenix, but now moved to this rainy place
I keep whining about it and I always have the same expression on my face
I’m just a little girl who’s helpless...
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Okay. I know what आप are all thinking. Oh no not another Harry Potter vs. Twilight लेख but yes I am making one because I can. I just want my opinion to be heard. So first off let me सूची the reasons why children, teens and adults can प्यार Harry Potter and the good messages that Harry Potter gets across. Harry Potter first of all teaches people about the very special bond between people called friendship. Harry, Hermione and Ron are a perfect example of friendship. They are all with Harry until the very end like they promised. They risk their lives for each other and even though they fight,...
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1. शामिल होइए an orchestra.
[i] You're inside, anyway.....

2. शामिल होइए an opera.
He has a good voice...right?

3. Go to a tanning salon.
Who wants to be pale all their life?

4. Leave home.
You're a hundred and something and STILL living with your parents. How does that feel?

5. Travel.
Yeah, the sparkling thing pops that bubble a bit, but what are parasols for?

6. Discover...SUNSCREEN.
It protects आप from the sun. Shocking, eh?

7. Begin a knitting business.
Creativity is key. आप can still stay inside, and make money. Plus, आप make फ्रेंड्स with the rest of the sweet little old people in the knitting club.

8.Start...
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I'm adressing the rabid Twilight प्रशंसकों if they would listen. I'm also adressing the common प्रशंसकों of both sides of this debate.

There are some things one may and may not do in a formal वाद-विवाद unless one wants to look like - pardon the language - a freaking donkey.

Nr 01: One may not argue against the debaters points द्वारा attacking him या her. This is called argumentum ad hominem and is a fallacy. For example: If I am to argue that free elections is wrong and states that the arguer is an imbecile that does not deserve the right to vote, then I have committed a severe personal attack and will be frowned...
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Many of आप might have noticed that the golden trio from Harry Potter (Harry, Ron, and Hermione) had always been paired up to fight with the not-so-golden trio of Twilight (Edward, Jacob, and Bella). Now, XDRoseLuvsHP had pointed out a great deal on why HP trio would win against the Twilight's (you can find it link), so I figured perhaps it's time for the villains to battle.

My first thought was off course, James and Voldemort; but then, it didn't seem fair on the Twilight side. James was not a very good villain; his character was poorly underdeveloped and his powers weren't very outstanding...
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This is a (long) rebuttal to KatiiCullen94's argument, the शीर्षक of which is in is article's title. (Though you've probably all seen that द्वारा now.) I haven't included her points in this, so it will be necessary to read her लेख first.

1. The majority of people in this world cannot relate to Bella. Tell me, how many people can go to a new school and automatically be the prettiest and most लोकप्रिय girl there? How many girls can say that they have FIVE males lusting after them?

Bella does care for people other than herself - her boyfriend. That's it. She was perfectly happy to hurt her father...
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This is my last लेख and as आप may know I never really came here to argue, just to figure out what was going on in Twilight-Haters heads.


Bella- Whiny and Moany ?
Everyone says that Bella is so whiney and the point is so what if she ? I am sure if we went into your heads ,you would be as moany as her. She complains about the attention she is recieving from boys. I would too it would totally creep me out if suddenly I moved to a new school and everybody likes me.
The friend problem: Jessica is not a good friend after being to 9 schools so far I have met people like this and only can I comment...
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Firstly, this is not my article. I found it over the internet and pasted it here because I find it really hard to believe that there are people like this in the world who are completely ignorant या just plain stupid.

The e-mail was apparently from Kayla Patterson, a die hard Twilight/Taylor Lautner प्रशंसक upset about Universal Pictures ripping off the werewolf idea from Twilight.

To whom this may concern:

This movie was a complete waste and I feel that it offends ALL Twilight प्रशंसकों around the world, that including myself. For one, it was a COMPLETE remaking of the भेड़िया Pack from the Twilight Saga:...
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Hmm... this could take a while. Haha, I have a lot of reasons for my strong dislike of Twilight. Before I start, I'd just like to explain that I was once a Twilight fan, so I've read all the पुस्तकें and stuff, but I just can't stand it anymore. Therefore, I can give a और complete explanation of my views. Sorry if it's really ridiculously long.

First reason I hate Twilight: the media. Twilight, in all honesty, isn't a great book. I have read worse पुस्तकें (though not many... Twilight was pretty bad). However, if Twilighters and Twilight लेखाए and such weren't all "OMG ITS THE MOST AMAZING SERIES...
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Voldemort is notorious for his fear of death. To avoid death, he is willing to kill innocent people and destroy his very soul.

Now, everyone with any sense knows that Bella is a Mary Sue, and Stephenie Meyer desperately wants to be Bella. I even personally know quite a few Twilight प्रशंसकों who realize and accept this. And what does Bella want? She wants to become a vampire.

Here is some commonly known knowledge about वैंपायर (according to Meyer):

-Kill innocents for survival
-Practically immortal
-Possibly lose their souls, though this is not known for sure

We see Voldemort killing innocents for survival....
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Okay now I will begin off with something that has really begin to get on my nerve. How Twilight प्रशंसकों write out their लेखाए on why they like Twilight. Not just लेखाए other things too. I will give आप and example of one: "For people.....blah blah blah." Like these. Who are they directing these too exactly? I know some the शीर्षक says it, but they expect only those sort of people to respond. Pff yeah right. I see that kind of शीर्षक I go in and see what kind moronic things they have to say.

Most Twilight प्रशंसकों I see on this site lack the skills in proper grammar. Okay first if आप ever want...
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This लेख was actually wriiten द्वारा an ex-twilighter(iloveyoudarling), not me, and i dont like the way she wrote it, cuz it is kinda rude, but i पोस्टेड it so that maybe some twilighters here could consider giving harry potter a chance because the लेख proves that even though आप प्यार twilight there COULD be a better book out there:
Dear Twilight fans,

I was आप one day. Addicted to Twilight and couldnt ever stop पढ़ना it even if i had already read it 4 times. But trust me on this one will you. READ ANOTHER BOOOK!!! AFTER आप DO THAT TWILIGHT WILL SEEM LIKE A STUPID ROMANCE STORY.

After...
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So I have heard/read a LOT of arguments over this topic, and I find it ridiculous. Here are some reasons why they can't be compared with each other:

1- लेखन styles. Rowling writes in a descriptive third-person, whereas Meyer writes in a first-person account of a seventeen साल old girl. आप can't expect Bella to talk like a professional poet of some sort, I doubt many average teenage girls do that.

2- Plot. Harry Potter is mainly about wizards and fighting. Twilight is about वैंपायर and romance... Totally the same (Major burning sarcasm).

3- Audience. Harry Potter is aimed for children. Before...
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