डिज़्नी प्रिन्सेस Unpopular डिज़्नी opinions (confessions)

viktoriya773 posted on Feb 10, 2014 at 11:53PM
Post your unpopular Disney opinion here. Express your opinion about not only DP but Disney in general. Please be respectful about each other's opinions and don't bash someone because of it. Say "I disagree/agree with you because..." I'm sure everyone is mature enough to handle it.

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एक साल  से अधिक पुराना scarletunicorn said…
Maleficent x Chernabog is the best Maleficent ship out of them all. I never got the appeal of Maleficent x Hades and Maleficentt x Jafar. Jafar is pretty unromantic to me (aside from some nice graphics which pair him up with the evil queen), and Hades is better off in a twisted way with some of the heroines like Aurora and Amalthea or even Yzma. Maleficent x Horned King is nice too, but I think she'd dislike him the moment she sees how frail he is. That and imo he's much better fit with some of the heroines, someone beautiful and elegant like again, Aurora or Amalthea...(To keep that Death and the Maiden aesthetic).

...Wow, this is really stupid. But at least I got a chuckle out of it.
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MalloMar commented…
Awesome! I tend to ship Eris with these guys और than Mal. Since Jafar had that weird lust thing for Jasmine, I can see Eris having an effect on him. Hmm, I kind of like that Hades/Yzma idea. :) एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना MalloMar said…
blush
I know, you've all heard it from me before...
I think Tarzan is a masterpiece. I can admit that there are flaws and even point them out, but I can't help but love every second of it.
It isn't a movie I watch much, but I did a few days ago, and like every other time, it's as if I'm seeing it for the first time.
I'm kind of obsessed with it (I'm even making fan art!) but for the sake of the club members' sanity, I'll do my best to keep my obsession outside of Fanpop. *Glances at my icon* Yeah.

In all honesty, I could write a long article describing my (strong and positive) opinion of the movie, highlighting what I love about the characters, music, art, relationships between the characters, character development, character design, darker elements, emotion, symbolism, concept art and ideas, humor...I probably will ending writing one, I just don't think I'll post it. Anyhow there is no doubt there were some incredibly talented and hardworking people behind the scenes.

Note: It's cool if you don't like the movie as much as I do. My apologies for going overboard and being a fan girl.
mhs1025 commented…
Wow. I haven't seen that movie since I was like 12. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
Aang_Lite commented…
Dude we're on a site named Fanpop. FAN-POP! We're all weirdly obsessive! I आप do end up लेखन the लेख please post it! Those type of opinion pieces are my absolute fave. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
disnerdtobe commented…
Tarzan is a great movie. It has agreeable and well-written character, a good and interesting story, etc. It's not my absolute personal प्रिय (the एनीमेशन isn't my taste compared to the classics), but it's definitely an enjoyable and worthy movie! I can definitely see how आप would प्यार the movie so much! It's great that आप have so much प्यार for such a great movie. And I would absolutely प्यार to read your article. I like पढ़ना positive opinions और than negative ones haha. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना KataraLover said…
I think The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian was a fantastic movie! Yes, it made some changes to the book, but what translates well in a book doesn't always translate well into a movie. Like how in The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe they had Father Christmas say "Battles are ugly affairs" instead of "Battles are ugly with women in them" and not telling Lucy or Susan that they couldn't be in battle. I've been listening to the books on my audio CD's and I have to say that the book Prince Caspian is one of my least favorites of the books. I think the movie actually made a lot of improvements. Lucy is more active (she doesn't fight or anything, but she's more active than she was in the book), Peter and Susan are given story arcs that make sense to why they're too old for Narnia (YOU'RE NEVER TOO OLD FOR NARNIA! NEVER! NEVER! NEVER!), Caspian is more interesting (I do find him interesting in the other books he's in, just not this one), the villain while still dull is more human, the story is more focus, faith is tested, and we get to see the White Witch/Jadis again! I think it's a very successful adaptation because it doesn't stray too far from the original, but also doesn't make it too much like the book. It updated the story very well. Movie adaptations can surpass the book it's based off of. The author of 101 Dalmatians even said herself that the Disney movie improved her story.
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना TheMusicalMolls said…
I love Jasmine! I do not think she is a spoiled brat, she is not stupid, whiny, or rude. She doesn't let anyone push her around. Just because she is rich and grew up in a palace does not make her a bad person, in fact she didn't want to be there. I feel like she could do a great job in running the country with Aladdin.
Anii147 commented…
चमेली is my प्रिय too for the reasons stated. I don't understand how people complain about her, but ignore Ariel doing the same thing. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
AudreyFreak commented…
^Ariel tends to get some hate too but I agree. though yeah, she can be rude (look at how she treats her suitors and अलादीन while complaining about them judging HER without knowing her). It's OK to have flawed characters. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
disnerdtobe commented…
I agree! Also, Ariel does get a LOT of criticism for the same things, even और so than Jasmine, I think. Like Audreyfreak said, it's ok to have some flawed characters as long as they're harmless, like Ariel and Jasmine. That's what makes them interesting. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना beautybeastfan2 said…
I just can't get into Descendants. It has things that are way too modern, and there's one thing that doesn't make sense. None of the villains are married, and most of them die at the end of their movies, so how could they have kids?
KataraLover commented…
In my opinion, Descendants is the WORST डिज़्नी movie I have EVER seen in my entire life. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
beautybeastfan2 commented…
Yeah, I haven't seen it either. And don't want to एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
disnerdtobe commented…
^ yeah teens basically mock at the idea of Disney. which is sad because डिज़्नी is like the best film studio and i think most entertainment is "stupid" in comparison. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना laylastepford said…
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I love and miss Disney's classic storybook film openings like Pinocchio, The Jungle Book, Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, etc. They give it such a magical and "fairy tale" feel for me! :D
 I प्यार and miss Disney's classic storybook film openings like Pinocchio, The Jungle Book, Snow White,
Winternacht commented…
I agree! I प्यार those :) एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
MalloMar commented…
They're so gorgeous. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
PrincessAyeka12 commented…
I agree! I प्यार them too. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
disnerdtobe commented…
Totally agree, I wish they would do them again. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना mhs1025 said…
This just dawned on me. Aside from Anna and Elsa, what if we had 2 DP's who were sisters, but here's the catch-what if they were TWINS? What do y'all think about that? Personally, I think it'd be pretty cool.
scarletunicorn commented…
People would be very confused, I think. That is, the same people who think Aurora's name is "Sleeping Beauty". एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
mhs1025 commented…
^ That IS if they were identical. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना MalloMar said…
I think Belle and Cinderella are somewhat similar in personality, but Cinderella is a favorite DP of mine and Belle is one of my least favorites.
anukriti2409 commented…
i know how it feels! Ariel and Merida are alike when आप think of it, but they are at my opposite ends of the सूची एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
AudreyFreak commented…
same here. I also see some of Aurora's imagination in Belle though Aurora and सिंडरेला are high while Belle's always been low for some reason. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना KataraLover said…
Ariel was NOT a victim of abuse! I hate when Ariel is demonized, but I also hate when people demonize King Triton. He wasn't sexist towards her or really mean, he acted like a real parent. I saw nothing about him that was sexist. He doesn't hit her, insult her, or anything of any kind of abuse. He just wanted to protect his daughter because he loves her. One of the reasons I love The Little Mermaid so much is because it shows that, while both Ariel and Triton have different views, both also have good intentions, but go about it the wrong way. Triton wants to protect his daughter but does drive her away and let his temper get the best of him. Ariel wants to prove that not all humans are evil and to be part of their world, but no one was forcing her to go to Ursula. They were both at fault with the events that happened in the movie, but in the end, they do end up understanding each other. There is a lot of obvious love between them and they do truly care about each other. It drives me nuts how people find one to basically be an evil monster and yet excuse the other one as guiltless.
anukriti2409 commented…
I completely agree. Both were equally at fault द्वारा thinking only they are right. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
wavesurf commented…
I have to politely disgree with you. I would have felt better about King Triton if he had tried to listen to his daughter. Ariel literally TRIES to explain to her dad multiple times, about humans, about outcasts, about potential "friends" that are to be made. Triton sometimes listens to her ( in the TV show), but he always falls back on his own xenophobia of everything, in particular-- humans. For every argument Ariel makes, Triton agrees with her for a little while...and then regresses back to believing as he did before. I guess, what made me pull the plug on Triton was his continued destruction of all of the items in his daughter's grotto, despite Ariel's loud and tearful pleas for mercy. Triton showed no mercy, and he let his anger rule him ( similar to the way Tiana treats Ray). Although Triton does redeem himself at the end of the movie, I still find him a very authoritarian "my way या the highway" parent. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
disnerdtobe commented…
Well said, KL! I agree with you. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना PrincessAyeka12 said…
I don't care about Pocahontas. I don't care about her history. I don't remember learning about her in school. Not surprising though, the last time I took history lessons in a school setting was 17 years ago. And since then I've been getting my history lessons from movies, books I'm interested in and tv dramas. I find history documentaries a bore unless it's apart of the special features from a movie. I can't watch Pocahontas anymore. I tried to watch it recently and turned it off after twenty minutes. The songs are great and the sunset, colours of the wind, rainbows and mists are beautiful visuals. But otherwise the story is boring. Pocahontas is dull, although I will admit that her hair is beautiful even if the texture is unrealistic and as thin as paper. Pocahontas is clearly a copy of Ariel but perhaps a little bit more mature or strong. I love Ariel so much more! Avatar the movie is like a crossover of Pocahontas, Fern Gully and more. The romance, battle over the land and spirituality is superior to Pocahontas. Fern Gully is second best in my opinion. Making Pocahontas last and the weakest.

Warning: Sensitive Person alert! Please don't flame me!
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MalloMar commented…
I don't completely agree. I like the movie Pocahontas, but as everyone knows, it's much different from the true history. I do like Ferngully और then the average एनीमेशन fan, and I think I prefer it to Pocahontas (which I enjoy). एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
laylastepford commented…
^ My sentiments exactly. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
AudreyFreak commented…
I don't think she's a copy. Ariel cares और about her own desires and values rather than just following tradition and sticking to her own people. Poca is interested in others but ultimately decides staying with her own people is और important. Poca is not at all determined and confident like Ariel and Ariel is और impulsive and outgoing. they do have a lot in common, but they also have many differences. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना scarletunicorn said…
I'm getting tired of seeing Star Wars and Marvel everywhere...Gah. It's specially telling since i'm not that big a fan of Star Wars, and I hate the MCU (but i like the older Marvel comics, strangely enough).
wavesurf commented…
^This is going to sound awkward...but ever since George Lucas gave तारा, स्टार Wars to Disney, डिज़्नी has been milking that franchise for all its worth, too ( the same way they did Frozen). So, yeah, the pattern of excessive merchandizing is present in both. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना hirohamada said…
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I love Merida despite her fiery personality and being bad to her mother. She feels sorry in the end and learns from her mistake and misunderstanding which makes her very realistic. Her explosiveness and independence seem very different from the rest of the princesses. In fact, I adore her archery skill and I have a thing for Medieval story.
anukriti2409 commented…
I प्यार Merida too! I प्यार her self confidence and her dedication to get what she want but not at the cost of her family एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
UnholyNoise commented…
Merida's my second-favorite DP, I प्यार how realistic she is, and I'm a huge प्रशंसक of her design. It took me a long time to separate my feelings about ब्रेव (which could have been so much better) from my feelings about Merida. But now that I have, I find I appreciate her a lot more. :) एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना pocalan said…
Rapunzel is overrated
Belle is the best heroine of the original 6
hirohamada commented…
I agree with you. Rapunzel is definitely overrated, and Belle is my प्रिय among the oldest 6 princesses. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
anukriti2409 commented…
dont agree that Rapunzel is overrated. Belle is my प्रिय too though. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
wavesurf commented…
^Ariel is not just impulsive. She is brave, too. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना WinterSpirit809 said…
I really get annoyed at everyone making a big deal with movies without poc. Tumblr mainly, but I can't stand it. Call me a racist, but getting upset when white people makes up the main cast is really annoying. It's kind of like the Princess and the Frog thing. Actually when people make a big deal over color at all in Disney movies or anywhere is really annoying. Black, white, Asian or Hispano. I get representation and all but Disney has had plenty of representation with and without color. Big Hero 6 and Mulan are good examples of that! Disney is not going to include poc in every movie, and sometimes they don't even include white people (Mulan anyone?). But you can't claim Disney is being "racist" for this.

I'm not trying to sound racist because I know many people will hate me for this. I don't know if this is an "unpopular" opinion but it's not addressed as often as it should be. Maybe people are afraid, because so am I to hit the post button, but here's my unpopular opinion.
anukriti2409 commented…
i agree with आप 100%. Being an Indian, i feel it is stupid to obsess so much over color of DPs. It should be foremost about the story and character being fit into it, rather than vice versa. डिज़्नी shouldn't owe anyone any representation, it is about fairytales and not about color या race of the DP एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
MalloMar commented…
And while I stand द्वारा what I said, I do agree with AangLite, that white shouldn't be the 'default' race in these movies. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
AudreyFreak commented…
agreed. personality and moral of the story first, culture second, race last for me. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना scarletunicorn said…
I'm not looking forward to Zootopia. i feel the subject has been done to death, and i also feel it's very childish and dunno, it seems lately that most 3D films seem to be done mostly for the younger audiences. Which isn't bad, but it's just not my thing.
AangLite commented…
My only problem is that I feel like the trailer gave away the entire plot of the movie. It looks like just a normal coming of age story with a character proving she's और than she appears. You're right it is a bit rehashed. I do think the original teaser with the sloths was hilarious and very clever, and I'll probably watch the movie just for funny moments like that. It seems like most adults i talk to have the same opinion too. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
MalloMar commented…
Somewhat agree. It does looks sort of unoriginal as AangLite said. Dang, I liked those sloths though! एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
hirohamada commented…
Yeah, I'm not excited about Zootopia either. Kinda agree with आप एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
disnerdtobe commented…
Yeah I don't प्यार Zootopia as much as other डिज़्नी movies. It's good, but it's kinda preachy and I prefer फिल्में that aren't so bent on hammering their messages. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना scarletunicorn said…
This will slightly contradict the above post, but I have to say it- i love seeing humanized versions of Disney/Pixar characters! Often the designs can be really creative, and I love especially the designs that have a little more thought put into them with the context and all (aka Lion King characters depicted as african tribe members, Gill from Finding Nemo missing an arm...) I dunno I think it's neat and much cooler than gender bending.
disnerdtobe commented…
I agree! प्यार seeing the "human bending". They're cool. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना scarletunicorn said…
I have an interesting history with Merida...So, back when I first saw Brave, in 2012, I really liked her, but back then I was kinda edgy and behaved like a typical internet teen with my angst and glorification of bad attitude and "strong female characters". I also was into Korra and the Avengers- I was consuming new media like mad. I liked Brave for its "strong female characters" and assumed everyone who disliked it was a misogynist (yeah, I was one of THOSE girls *shudder*). My 2012 was pretty much all that way (it was a turbulent year).

I grew up massively in 2013, and most of my interests changed. I began consuming less new media and began disliking things I previously liked. Somebody disliking a female character in my eyes wasn't a misogynist anymore (unless they disliked her for TRULY misogynistic reasons, but simply disliking her wasn't an option). My attitude massively changed and I began to dislike Brave, Merida and characters like her. I thought of her to be a selfish brat and I could not understand how many girls saw her as an empowering role model, for then I saw her as a selfish brat who poisoned her mother just because of a temper tantrum.

But then, in 2014...My opinions massively changed. Alright, I was still conservative and still held some of the same thoughts as in 2013 (so no more edgy teen behavior or glorification of Strong Mary Sues from me), but my thoughts about Brave change. I saw the film again, and while Merida's flaws were noticeable, her good parts also appeared more. Her funny and adventurous side, and the fact that she grows and changes during her story. She felt much more charismatic and realistic in my eyes. She quickly became my favorite princess afterwards.

So...That's much of it. I like my female characters varied, but flawed. And it's really surprising how much your opinion on a character changes when you change the way you think.
AangLite commented…
I've alawys seen Merida as the wisest of the DP bunch. No one else does so much wrong, and then does so much else to fix her mistakes. I agree, there's definitely a sense of realness to her that i just adore. I'm glad to see how far you've come when it comes to this character :) एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
UnholyNoise commented…
I've कहा it before - and I guess this is an unpopular opinion in itself - but the Revival has done the best job at really humanizing its female leads, especially Merida. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
anukriti2409 commented…
I have always loved Merida for her "realistic" kind of character - making mistakes, accepting and learning from them is a big part of our lives. So that makes me really see her as someone i'd know (though i'm and was like her in many ways). I प्यार her adventurous and free-spirited side, add to it her rebellion and her quick wit, and i just प्यार her even more. I'd say she's the most intelligent DP for me. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना scarletunicorn said…
Mowgli is so cute!

Seriously, he might be my favorite Disney kid after Hiro.
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना TheMusicalMolls said…
I think Rapunzel's singing voice is really pretty. It might not be the general, powerhouse, musical theater type voice that most other princesses have, but it has a nice, modern sound to it and I just really like it! (and this is coming from a hardcore theater girl, so I'm not biased!)
AangLite commented…
I totally agree! A lot of people don't like the breathy sound of her voice, but I find it very charming. It sounds less sophisticated like Belle and Aurora, and और childlike. And I think it really helps embody who Rapunzel is before she leaves the tower. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
MalloMar commented…
It's very pretty, and I'd recognize Mandy's voice anywhere. :) एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
UnholyNoise commented…
I actually think her voice is the least awful of the moderns (minus Tiana of course!) - I never really cared for Kristen Bell, and Idina Menzel's voice in Let It Go is excruciating. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
hirohamada commented…
Sorry, but i disagree. to me, her गाना voice is annoying because it's too whisper-y and weak. her गाना voice doesn't suit rapunzel's personality. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना TheMusicalMolls said…
I don't actually like Cinderella's iconic ballgown that much. It's a really weird design to me, and that choker and headband are just strange. It looks pretty nice in the movie, but looking closely I find that it's not that beautiful.
scarletunicorn commented…
I personally never got the appeal of the overgrown peplums that she had at the sides. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
MalloMar commented…
^That's the only thing I dislike about the dress. It does look much better in motion than in a frame. I think it's beautiful, and I like the choker and headband. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
hirohamada commented…
When I was younger I also dislike Cinderella's gown, especially her round sleeves. I also found her headband is weird. But now as I grow older, I've started to fall in प्यार with that gown, I like the sparkles and glitters on her dress एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना hirohamada said…
zzz
Before I came to disney princess club on fanpop, I never really thought of my favorite DP list. I only have some princesses I love and some princesses I don't love. It's very difficult for me to make an ordered list and until now, I haven't figured out my favorite DP list.
MalloMar commented…
I completely understand that one. I can't put a सूची in exact order. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
audreygrace412 commented…
Same here! एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
disnerdtobe commented…
Same. I प्यार al the princesses so much, it's so hard to choose! एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना KataraLover said…
I don't think Merida is all that attractive. I know a lot of people will say that's not unpopular, but it seems to be pretty popular here on Fanpop that's beautiful. Her hair is GORGEOUS and she has the most beautiful hair out of all the Disney Princesses in my opinion, plus she has a good and realistic body, but that's it. She's literally baby-faced, I don't mean baby-face as in young looking, I mean her face actually looks like it belongs to a 2-6-month-old baby. She's cute, but she's nothing special looking and definitely the least attractive of all the Disney Princesses. She may look unique but that doesn't mean she's beautiful just because she doesn't look like the typical beautiful girl. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but she looks like a baby that had it's face attached a grown up body. If it wasn't for her hair I don't think people would find her very attractive, I mean, just look at this picture of her I screencaped of her when the animators were constructing her.
 I don't think Merida is all that attractive. I know a lot of people will say that's not unpopular, bu
wavesurf commented…
I knew that ब्रेव won the Oscar in 2012, not because it was an entirely great movie ( it is not), nor because Merida is attractive. It won पिक्सार an Oscar because of Merida's hair--- literally, that was the real reason the movie won over Wreck It Ralph. And I still think to this दिन that Wreck-It Ralph is the better movie, and is far better than watching Merida act a fool and get her comeuppance. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
UnholyNoise commented…
Merida is cute, even with all the hair chopped off. I can't imagine too many of the conventionally attractive ladies being able to rock the bald look, either. ब्रेव wasn't the greatest movie - it probabaly would have been a lot better if पिक्सार hadn't switched directors halfway through. But it didn't win just because of Merida's hair, that's ridiculous. If anything, it's because of the pro-Pixar bias at the academy. They also have a habit of picking a movie based on what it's trying to say rather than how well the movie says it. Basically giving ब्रेव credit for trying something different, even if it wasn't actually a better movie. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
incisron commented…
Yes, I like her fiery, floating, voluminous hair, but she's ugly as heck otherwise. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना KataraLover said…
I prefer the cookie-cutter look to the unconventional look. I know there have been people saying this isn't unpopular because they've been complaining about the opposite, but that's what makes me see this as unpopular here on Fanpop. Just because someone is unique looking it doesn't mean they're beautiful. I mean, it's one thing to make a character look different and unique, but it's another to go so extreme that they just look weird. I'd MUCH rather look at Ariel than I would Merida! I'd MUCH rather look at Tiana than I would Megara! I'd MUCH rather look at Belle than I would Jane! I'd MUCH rather look at Pocahontas than I would Nani! I'd go on with more examples but I'd just be beating a dead horse. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I'm not trying to call anyone out or anything, but it seems like people are just tired of the typical beauty look and just want different looks, which is fine, but don't shame traditional beauties.
wavesurf commented…
Beauty is defiitely in the eye of the beholder. Yes, to me, Merida, Tiana, and Belle all look homely अगला to Aurora and Esmeralda. But if people प्यार their favorites, they are kind of loathe to say that they are unattractive. It is a sort of bias that comes out with liking something. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
audreygrace412 commented…
I agree with your opinion, on multiple levels. Especially when people claim some characters are "unrealistic". Just because not all women look like Adriana Lima या Gisele Bündchen doesn't make them "nonexistant". एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
incisron commented…
I agree. I hate the designs of characters like Merida and Moana. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना wavesurf said…
I'm watching Brave again. I'd forgotten how much this movie put me on edge. Turns out, this is not exactly a fun movie for me, either. It is very taxing to watch, actually. I still identify with Elinor a bit more than I do with Merida. Merida acts sooooo short-sighted. Merida just has this insufferable "I'm-always-irritable" complex. Merida flounces about being rebellious, headstrong, excessively rude, and prone to schadenfreude ( her laughing at the falcon pecking at her father’s scalp is horrid, and so is the fact that she rips her mother’s tapestry in a fit of anger)… Merida has zero self-control. That is not a role model. I like her, but I don’t love her, because it’s deceptively simple. Merida is unkind. I could not be friends with Merida in real life, and neither could Mulan. I just realized while watching Brave, again, that I have a lot of Mulan's sensibilities ( and it matters to me that I honor my own parents and their wishes), and those are traits that are anathema to Merida. Merida would just glare at me for being obedient, disrespect me for showing respect to others like Mulan does, and would make fun of me just for the heck of it. I’ve met people in real life who definitely had Merida’s personality spot on. They weren’t “nice” people, and they usually just picked on me because it was a way to amuse themselves.
incisron commented…
I agree. I thought it was weird how मूलन and Merida get compared. I also found it interesting how gentle, shy and nice मूलन was compared to other "independent" characters like चमेली and Merida, who would be yelling at the patriarchy and kicking a## to prove themselves, but maybe its because of the politics behind the movie Mulan. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
wavesurf commented…
^Ah. Yeah. I'd forgotten, but there was a whole lot of yelling in ब्रेव ( between mother and daughter over the course of the movie), and only one yelling episode in the entire father-daughter relationship in Mulan. I dunno. I don't like it when people start yelling at each other. I think it "drives me away" from the movie. Chinese culture is strict, though, so I do gather that much from the मूलन movie. But I think डिज़्नी now equates yelling/ rebelling as making the characterization of "a strong princess." That's not what a strong princess is. Achievement makes a strong princess. Unfortunately, it makes the modern era girls collectively look like hot-headed women, who just spend most of their available time griping, yelling, and being angry at others. And who wants to hang out with an angry person? Definitely not me. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना UnholyNoise said…
Yeah sorry, but the amount of time a character spends on screen has almost nothing to do with how developed, interesting, or important they are to a movie. You could be around for a few scenes and have a ton of influence on how things turn out or you could eat up lots of screen time but the movie wouldn't be changed much if you weren't in it.

I'm thinking of Aurora here, who gets dumped on a lot because she isn't around much, but she drives so much of the plot. And she does have distinctive character traits, both positive and negative; she's not a blank slate at all. Not every aspect of a character's personality has to be spelled out.
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wavesurf commented…
^Agreed. Aurora is a "big fixture" in the fairytale of Sleeping Beauty. Even in the less "savory" versions of the tale, she is the focus of the tale...so dismissing her from the plot kind of ruins the whole point of the story, yeah? एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
AudreyFreak commented…
thank you. that bothers me (especially since, like I've कहा before, nobody craps on Elsa for that same reason). if anything it's impressive we see as much as we do of her personality from that short time. I mean, look at Fantasia and Fantasia 2000: आप can very easily see each character's personality, and in addition to having short screen time, they don't even speak. if people think आप need a lot of screen time to be interesting या have personality traits, they must not know how personalities work. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
audreygrace412 commented…
I agree. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना scarletunicorn said…
I don't get what's with everyone always hating on Brave. I admit there was a time when I didn't like it, but the way some people exaggerate the hatred they have for the movie...As if the movie killed their dog or something. "THE WORST PIXAR MOVIE!!!" "THE WORST DISNEY MOVIE!!" It is flawed and a little clunky at times but not really "rage-inducing" imo. Normally this type of hatred would be given to something like Pocahontas or the like.
wavesurf commented…
Uh. I avoid डिज़्नी Confessions. I've read some of them. Nasty stuff.... एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
mhs1025 commented…
THANK आप for speakin' my language! I also hate why DP प्रेमी hate on Merida because she's Pixar. That irritates the living s**t out of me! एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना scarletunicorn said…
TBH this page is much more relaxing and i like saying my confessions here. On places like Disneyconfessions it's always either depressing personal shit or people raging hard for liking this princess, not liking this princess, being a bigot just cause you don't like this one movie, etc etc.

At least here we can discuss things like themes and characters in a more rationalized manner, at least i often think so. Dunno i'm just tired of the name-calling and assumption and those depressing way too personal stories.
wavesurf commented…
People did the same thing on IMDB.com. If आप didn't like Frozen-- they ripped आप apart verbally. Just avoid the sites that cater to those types. या spend और time off of the internet.* * I do this a lot. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
AudreyFreak commented…
^^ugh, yes. The फ्रोज़न प्रशंसकों (mainly Elsa fans) were crazy. आप can't criticize फ्रोज़न unless it's to blame Anna for everything that went wrong. and I agree about WDC. that place has some hidden gems, but is otherwise pretty toxic. then आप have WDCRage... एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना KataraLover said…
I think The Hunchback of Notre Dame is a movie that is both perfectly-rated and underrated at the same time. What do I mean by this? Well, it's clear that it has A LOT of fans and those fans are HARDCORE! I hear people say it's underrated so much and for a long time I didn't know why, since it has such a MASSIVE and passionate fanbase. But recently I do understand why it's considered underrated. It's not that it's underrated with audiences, it's that it's underrated in merchandise and the media. I guess since it was controversial when it came out that Disney has kept the movie out of the spotlight, especially now that it's being hogged by the awful movie Frozen. When you think about it there really aren't a lot of merchandise that's for The Hunchback of Notre Dame. You see merchandise for The Little Mermaid, Cinderella, Beauty and The Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King, and ESPECIALLY Frozen. But when was the last time you saw merchandise for The Hunchback of Notre Dame? I don't even recall there being anything for it at Disney World. So it actually is underrated because Disney is refusing to advertise it, just like how they refuse to stop with Frozen, but I've ranted enough about that.
wavesurf commented…
^Hunchback of Notre Dame mechandise is especially hard to find. No doubt about it. I mean, I was able to find an Esmeralda snow globe and an Esmeralda figurine and stamper thingy, but that movie doesn't have a lot. There's five snowglobes ( one especially rare European version), some assorted संगीत boxes and ornaments, and a few plastic dolls/puppets. But Disney, like आप said, does not विज्ञापन दे them at all, anymore. I guess, I'm lucky to get what I did get, and whatever I am able to find is a plus. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
audreygrace412 commented…
It used to be advertised और and Esmeralda was even in the DP line up. It's hard to find solid evidence of what really happened online but consensus seems to be that parents felt the movie and/or characters and themes within were too inappropriate for the family audience that डिज़्नी is normally geared too. I THINK there is और Hunchback of Notre Dame references at डिज़्नी Paris but I'm speculating on this last point. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
incisron commented…
Maybe its unpopular because it's not kid friendly. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना scarletunicorn said…
A Kingdom Hearts animated series/anime would have been pretty awesome imo. Stuff would be condensed and easier to understand than the games and it could take cues of humor and good characterization from the manga. It would even get more people into the games.

IDK seems like a wasted opportunity for Disney to not have made that show to its fullest (they originally planned on making the series, but desisted with the idea since they didn't wanna contradict the canon of the games). I guess, since the games already work like a show/movie there's no point in a series, still...
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MalloMar commented…
I think it'd work well as a show. Great series, can be a bit complex (So *insert character's name* was really a heartless all along, *insert character's name* wasn't really dead, etc.) Anyway, one of my प्रिय game series nonetheless and I'd enjoy an animated series. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
scarletunicorn commented…
^Goodness, yes, the series could work great as a दिखाना (not movie since stuff would be incredibly condensed and the series is so complex and confusing it'd be a nightmare of a movie to make out of). But I see potential for a series, the series are likable and interesting and the concept is just so cool. At least डिज़्नी should just pay और attention to it, like giving it और appreciation at the stores या the parks...I feel like the Kingdom Hearts aspect of डिज़्नी is often left to the side, like ignored या its own thing...And that's not fair. They're still डिज़्नी characters and deserve प्यार too. I'd प्यार to see a Sora face character at the parks, या a Princess Kairi doll...C'me on डिज़्नी the fandom's give enough give 'em a bone एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
scarletunicorn commented…
And I've just been told that they planned to have the jungle Book in the animated series!!! Goodness i'm so disappointed, once again that film's been shafted to the side...Then again i wonder if it would've been cool, since later Jungle Book stuff is kinda mediocre (Tailspin, Jungle Cubs, the sequel...) I'm kinda hoping the remake is good at least एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना mhs1025 said…
I just made a wall post similar to this, but I feel the need to say it in here, too-when in the hell is Disney EVER gonna get creative again?!? I'm getting kinda tired of them remaking movies they've already made. (A majority of 'em are already successes!) No offense to the people who LIKE the remakes that have already come out, but I just want to see Disney's creative side again.
wavesurf commented…
^^Yup. With the kind of mass hysteria and the divisiveness in the fanbase that फ्रोज़न caused...a whole LOT is riding on Moana... एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
scarletunicorn commented…
Wreck It Ralph, Big Hero 6, Frozen, Zootopia, Moana...Not to mention stuff like Tomorrowland या into the Woods. डिज़्नी is doing, and they're probably at their most creative peak since the 90s... एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
mhs1025 commented…
^ Gotcha. And to ScarletUnicorn-I forgot about Tomorrowland. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना KataraLover said…
Whenever I've done polls about comparing a Disney Princess to a modern singer or where they would rank on their best Disney Princess singing voice list, I've always heard "They're too modern." So freaking what? If you don't like their voices for being "too modern" why aren't you complaining about Snow White or Cinderella having voices that are too old fashioned? Yes, I know there are people who think Snow White's voice is too high, but I've seen several defend her saying that was the style back then. So Snow White gets the excuse to her voice is dated because of the style back then, but modern singers are called "too modern?" Just because something is modern doesn't make it bad or not as good as older generations. If the voice isn't your personal taste, that's fine, but saying it's "too modern" just annoys me to no end, especially if you're comparing them to old fashioned voiced that are dated. No offense to anyone.
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना TheMusicalMolls said…
I wish people would stop hating on Tiana just because she's serious about her work. When people are really committed to what they love, they want to work really hard on it. She especially had to work hard on her restaurant because she was an African American woman living in that time, so she faced some discrimination. Yes, Tiana can be a little rude, but every character has flaws. She doesn't need to be hated on for being serious about her work.
wavesurf commented…
^I don't hate her. I hate her "personality" which is different from her ambition. आप can be ambitious and achieve your personal life-long goals without being snide, condescending, and rude to other people while doing it. And Tiana is ambitious, but so is मूलन ( to become the best soldier she can be). But you'll notice that मूलन isn't particularly rude या mean to Chien-Po, Ling, Yao and the rest. She does not say something nasty to them about their hopes and goals. Tiana issues short derogatory quips at other people about their dreams and hopes. That's a bad quality, and it gets on my nerves amazingly fast. If आप want to be such a nitpick, Tiana, go somewhere else please. That's why I dislike Tiana. I don't dislike Tiana for her ambition. Ambition and being hard-working are fine qualities. Being nagging, condescending, and hypercritical of other people is an enormous turn-off. That's why I dislike her. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
TheMusicalMolls commented…
She is a little rude at times, but I have to say I feel her pain. How would आप feel if some snobby, annoying dude (in frog form) told आप that आप would get your heart's desire if आप kissed him (ew), and when आप did, आप turned into a frog yourself and literally had to fight for your survival and take a long journey to find a way to get back, if any? And the whole time you're accompanied द्वारा an annoying, lazy bum who barely helps you. I don't blame her for being a little snippy toward him. Other than that, when does she act "snide, condescending, and rude" या issue "short derogatory quips at other people about their dreams and hopes"? I respect your opinion, but I'm not sure we see eye-to-eye on it. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
wavesurf commented…
Copied from दीवार discussion: Tiana is hypercritical of her friends, and negative when it comes to passing judgement on their dreams. Nuff said. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना scarletunicorn said…
I'm so excited for the Jungle Book remake...At first I was doubting since Disney screwed big time with Alice and Sleeping Beauty, and I didn't want another fave Disney film get mistreated by the remake...But based on the trailer it looks great! I hope it's a big success...I want to be flooded with JB merchandise and appreciation in the fandom. :)
wavesurf commented…
^I never was a big JB fan, but I never developed a real "stance" on the movie either. So, this is me saying I will look at this remake with "fresh eyes." I happened to enjoy Alice in Wonderland ( Tim Burton's), and I did enjoy Maleficent's take on SB, and LOVED सिंडरेला 2015. So...I'm not opposed to this. Not exactly. I have a Baloo and Mowgli snowglobe, anyway. ;) एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
KataraLover commented…
I was never a huge प्रशंसक of The Jungle Book. I just find it to be really bland, lacks development, and the protagonist is boring as hell. It's strange because I usually like little kid characters, but Mowgli is just so uninteresting. Shanti sing my प्रिय song in the movie, though she's dull and I find her to be MUCH better in the sequel (though that movie isn't very good). But it is a good movie because I like the characters (except for Mowgli and Shanti) and the songs. I just wish it was darker like the book and followed the book और closely. But I hear the live-action remake is going to have aspects of both the movie and the book because one director grew up with the movie and the other grew up with the book. I personally am looking आगे to the live-action remake and think it'll be amazing. I know I'm gonna like it और than the original. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
ItIsOlivia commented…
I'm feeling a lot of shade being, for lack of a better term, thrown. But anyway I'm looking आगे to Jungle book too, even though I never really am for live action remakes, besides the anouncment for Mulan's re-make, but the trailers got me hype. Also when आप कहा JB I thought of Justin Beiber and I was just like "NO NO NO NO." XD I gotta start पढ़ना things better. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना wavesurf said…
Eh. When people say the following names of each princess, these descriptions come to mind...exclusively based on the personalities of each princess during their screentime. So, at the mere mention of their names, I can't help but draw these conclusions.


When people say Snow White, I think...the bossy and motherly type.

When people say Cinderella, I think...the hard-working, long-suffering, and kind one.

When people say Aurora, I think...the dreamy, beautiful, sleepy girl.

When people say Ariel, I think..the bubbly, impulsive, and sweet-natured mermaid.

When people say Belle, I think...the head-in-the-clouds, small-town snob, who has a big mouth.

When people say Jasmine, I think...the spitfire with a generous side.

When people say Pocahontas, I think...the ambivalent and wistful one.

When people say Mulan, I think...the dedicated, brave, and sacrificial girl.

When people say Tiana, I think...the rude, meddlesome nag.

When people say Rapunzel, I think...the sunny, social-butterfly.

When people say Merida, I think...the courageous but conniving bully.

When people say Anna, I think...the silly, winging-it, younger sister.

When people say Elsa, I think...the reclusive, terror-stricken, older sister.
MomoMyGogo commented…
These kind of posts don't belong on this forum. This is the unpopular opinions forum, yet nothing आप कहा about any of these princesses necessarily fit the विवरण of unpopular. You're really just trying to stretch this मंचों purpose as much as आप can so that आप have an excuse to put your प्रिय on a pedestal and make your least प्रिय look like terrible people. Your post legitimately has no purpose other than to present a one-sided straw-man opinions. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
wavesurf commented…
^And your post is meant to legitimately discredit my views...which are not the देखा गया shared द्वारा lots of people on this club--which is why I put this post in the unpopular opinions slot in the first place! To get to the meat of fhe matter, YOU'RE UPSET at my participation in this club, so आप feel the need to tell me that I "stretch the purpose of things," and "present one-sided straw-man opinions" and whatnot. STRANGE, that you've NEVER पोस्टेड anywhere else, under ANYBODY else's dissenting opinions. I think your response post proves that I'm your target, and you're the one with the problem, not me. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
coolsinger198 commented…
Everyone has the right to their own opinion. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना ItIsOlivia said…
Belle's looks were more disappointing to me than her prince's. I mean he's called beast, but she's called beauty and I just don't see it. Then again my prettiest is Merida, but I still like conventional beauties like Cinderella, Tiana, and Rapunzel.
incisron commented…
I agree. Belle wasn't as beautiful as she could have been. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
wavesurf commented…
Okay, I do agree with you, here. I've always found Belle really "plain" in the looks department, (which totally skewed some of my perception of the movie btw). To this day, I still can't figure out why the townspeople were fawning over her looks. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना WinterSpirit809 said…
Although I love her as a character, I don't see Ariel as gorgeous. I just think her hair is too bright and looks the least real of the DP's hair, her forehead is HUGE...but she is beautiful on the inside.
wavesurf commented…
Looks really don't rate highly on my personal score for a DP. I rate a character या DP higher if she is a nice person to be around, cracks jokes, laughs, is empathetic, is not overly critical, etc. Physical looks deteriorate, and beauty can differ in the eyes of the beholder. I want attributes, stuff personalities are made of.. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
WinterSpirit809 commented…
Yeah I प्यार Ariel but I just don't find her pretty, but my most ugliest princess is within my चोटी, शीर्ष 5 lol:) एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
disnerdtobe commented…
I agree with everything आप said, except about the hair color. I like Ariel's personality but not her look. Funnily enough, my प्रिय personalities (Anna and Elsa) are the most plain-looking to me, while my least प्रिय princess is gorgeous but I don't प्यार her personality as much. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना WinterSpirit809 said…
I'm in the middle of the whole Frozen thing. I love Frozen, but the fans are so rude. They can't admit that Frozen has flaws, they have a hard time grasping the concept that NOT EVERYONE LIKES FROZEN, and they get hurt when people stand up to them. The haters, however aren't that much better there are haters who makes fun of people who likes Frozen. They claim they're "childish" and are stupid for liking Frozen and when someone says they prefer Frozen over another movie, they make a big deal out of it. Like, we know you hate Frozen but no need to rub it in our faces. People who hate Frozen should let people like Frozen and fans should let people hate Frozen. It's called having an opinion people! You can have one and express it freely without name calling and telling people to kill themselves (people take that seriously). I swear the Frozen fandom is like the American presidential election elections sometimes...just less political..sometimes.
wavesurf commented…
Just avoid the "base" associated with Frozen, be it the प्रशंसकों या the haters. Both sides are nasty and up to no good. Trying to reason with the unreasonable types will only make आप cringe, rub आप the wrong way, and drive आप crazy. Take it from someone who agrees with आप *and knows.* But that's coming from three plus years of experience and counting... *sighs* एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
WinterSpirit809 commented…
^Yeah. I'm kind of apart of the fandom but I'm picky where. On फैन्पॉप it's nowhere near as bad, but on YouTube (because it's YouTube) I'll watch वीडियो but I won't bother looking at the टिप्पणियाँ (I like to do this because it's actually interesting). But thanks for the advice;) एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना mhs1025 said…
I saw Inside Out for the first time on Friday. I've gotta say-it sorta wasn't what I was expecting it to be. One emotion was basically in control of a little girl's life from the time she was born. Yes, I get Joy only wanted Riley to be happy, but she just put all the other emotions on the sidelines, especially Sadness. Anger, Fear, and Disgust only got to work the "control panel", like, how many times, 3? Plus, whenever Sadness would touch a memory, even by accident, I felt like she got looked down on. However, at the end, I liked how Joy changed her ways and let everybody else take control with her. It's a great movie, I like the idea, but there ARE some flaws. But hey, which movie DOESN'T have flaws? (THIS IS JUST MY OPINION.)
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एक साल  से अधिक पुराना KataraLover said…
I think that Anastasia Tremaine is more beautiful than Merida. Neither one is a conventional beauty, but I think Anastasia has the much better face. Her facial structure is better shaped, she doesn't have the face of a 6-month-old baby, she has better lips, and a MUCH more beautiful smile. Merida is cute, but that's all. She's so baby faced that her head looks like it belongs on an actual baby. Anastasia isn't the prettiest flower in the garden, but she is beautiful in an unconventional way. If it wasn't for her nose and her lines on her face she could be beautiful in a conventional way.
 I think that ऐनस्टेशिया Tremaine is और beautiful than Merida. Neither one is a conventional beauty,
ItIsOlivia commented…
I think she has a better shaped face, but संपूर्ण, कुल मिलाकर I think Merida is so much prettier. ऐनस्टेशिया has stringy, but plump hair, low lips with face wrinkles, a rounded off nose, and Christopher Robin eyes (basically black dots in white circles), then she even has bags under those. Merida has a really round face, but that's really the only thing I dislike about the way she looks. Merida has pretty बादाम shaped eyes, with thin faint eyelashes and a heart-melty sky blue eyes! <3 Makes my दिल flutter~ Then she has a smooth face with no wrinkles and cute freckles, and I absolutely प्यार her naturally peachy thin lips. And do I really have to gawk about her hair? To me ऐनस्टेशिया is so below Merida on the beauty scale, it's funny. I do agree that Merida's face is way too round >_< and if she swapped face shapes with ऐनस्टेशिया I'm sure she'd be even prettier. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
ItIsOlivia commented…
But as they say beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, but Meirda is like a 10/10 and ऐनस्टेशिया is like a 3/10, but that's just me. They're both darling feisty red-heads tho. :3 एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
UnholyNoise commented…
^ Right??? I was trying to come up with a better way to explain, and I guess "natural" and "down to earth" are good ways to describe Merida's design. She was deliberately toned down from the sexy/beautiful/adult look most DPs have. Partly because her story was supposed to be a subversion, and just in general it seems like Brenda Chapman prefers to go that route with her main female characters (Miriam in The Prince of Egypt, Spring Sprite in the newer Fantasia - both of whom have been noted for the similarities to Merida's डिज़ाइन at some point.) एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना incisron said…
I wish Anna had been nicer to Kristoff and that they'd kissed passionately immediately after the thawing without Kristoff having to ask.
UnholyNoise commented…
Kristoff was such a jerk though?? Didn't he mention at some point that he knew Anna would die out in the woods on her own if he didn't go with her to find Elsa, but still he was only doing it to make sure he got a new sled? I always thought the romance between them came out of nowhere tbh, it was just so clunky and bad and there were waaaay too many trolls. Though his super awkward attempts to ask Anna for the किस were really cute, even if it's not traditionally romantic या passionate. And consent is always a good message to get across to impressionable kids. :) एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
wavesurf commented…
I liked the "consent" दिया for him to किस Anna. However, I have to agree with UN on this. Kristoff acted like a predictable jerk for most of the movie, since he basically "said something disparaging" about all of Anna's choices. And nearly every step of the way towards finding Elsa, he either argued with Anna, या sat back on his heels and waited for her to do all of the grunt work. The romance between them "weakens" an already "very weak plotline" because the development of that romance is nonexistent. Yeah. UN is right. The romance between Anna and Kristoff "came out of nowhere." The consent thing is great, and I'm all for it. But there was definitely no buildup to that kiss. Even Eugene and Punzie's relationship had some build-up before romance was introduced. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना incisron said…
Pocahontas was the best DP movie ever.
UnholyNoise commented…
It's definitely the most beautiful! एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
coolsinger198 commented…
Its amazing! एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना wavesurf said…
It occurs to me, that I most firmly, completely disagree that Ariel is Disney’s worst princess. I’ve ( unapologetically) felt this way for years. (The stance of "Ariel is awful" shows up all over the internet, and under every article mentioning the Disney Princesses, from movie reviews, to polls, to posts on social media). There isn’t “a worst” Disney Princess. Okay? I also completely disagree that Ariel is the only DP who must keep on profusely apologizing for her actions…when all the other DPs make just as many poor decisions as Ariel does--- and yet they don’t receive nearly the level of overt hatred and diatribe that Ariel gets. Are other princesses required to keep on, and keep on apologizing? Are they vilified for their core attributes? It’s hypocritical to just stick the label entirely on Ariel, and keep on demanding a lengthy apology from her, when all the other princesses have done their share of DIRT, too. Belle, the common paragon placed on a pedestal, is the one who tipped off Gaston, and got the beast stabbed in the back. If it weren’t for the enchantress’s curse, Belle would have been simply out of luck, there, and she would be the witness to a murder she inadvertently caused. And Belle DID inadvertently cause the beast’s death. (Notice how this same situation becomes a repeat thing in Pocahontas?) Plenty of other princesses do just as badly as Belle does. As I mentioned, Pocahontas gets Kocoum killed; Jasmine gets Aladdin locked up in prison; Merida changes her mother into a bear in a false attempt to physically change her mother’s mind; Mulan joins the army, gets exposed as a female, and destroys the emperor’s palace; Tiana has only tough love to give to Ray, the firefly, and he gets killed on her watch; Rapunzel gets Eugene stabbed, because he pursues her, etc., etc. Elsa DIDN’T apologize for inducing a blizzard and wreaking havoc on Arendelle, and Ariel DID apologize for endangering Atlantica.
Why should all of the other princesses get a free pass for what they did or failed to do? If you dislike or happen to loathe Ariel, that’s your choice. But stop demanding that Ariel apologize, and apologize, and apologize, and apologize for being herself in her own movie. Other princesses MADE TONS OF MAJOR MISTAKES, and STILL got what they wanted. In the end, who cares why you think Ariel needs to apologize more than every other princess? It only matters to the Ariel fans you get to stick it to, who will defend her tooth and nail if you proceed to go down that path. Ariel doesn’t have to offer a lengthy apology in her own movie. Plenty of princesses (and non-princesses) didn’t offer profuse apologies. Live with it. Despite the high per-capita consensus among Ariel haters that Ariel is soooooooo dang awful… paradoxically, Ariel is STILL one of the most sought after princesses when it comes to Disney merchandise. I find that really odd and amusing, now that I think about it. That's just too weird. Hatred is a huge brotherhood or sisterhood, but so is the fandom and the money-making. (Frozen alone proves this fact to be flat out true). Give the "Ariel needs to apologize more” thing a rest. You’re making a mountain out of a molehill, and this belief REALLY DOESN'T hold up when you watch other Disney Princess movies, and see the slew of other mistakes made by Belle, Cinderella, Snow White, Aurora, Jasmine, Pocahontas, Mulan, Tiana, Rapunzel, and Merida.
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coolsinger198 commented…
All the reasons आप put for the other princesses faults were wrong. Pocahontas didn't get Kococum killed. He did that to himself द्वारा interrupting their kiss. Thomas is the one who pulled the trigger if I recalled. How did चमेली get अलादीन locked up? Please explain that one. And about Mulan, UNLIKE Ariel, मूलन destroyed the emperor's palace TO SAVE A COUNTRY. Ariel did what she wanted for her own selfish views. Rapunzel did NOT get Eugene stabbed AT all.You seem to not know who is the use of problems. He went to save her, and Rapunzel did try to warn him but it was too late. A character's outcome happens due to their OWN actions. and quite frankly, the only princesses here who actually caused a big problem on her own are Merida, Elsa ( unintentionally) drumroll please.... Ariel. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
disnerdtobe commented…
Also I don't think it's selfish at all for people to हटाइए from घर and follow their dreams. That's completely normal. People in real life do that all the time, leaving घर to go to college, travel, careers, etc. It's one thing for kids to obey their parents, but as adults, they shouldn't have to follow and have their parents live out their life for them. It really confuses me when Ariel gets called selfish. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
disnerdtobe commented…
And I don't really like how it's considered selfish to do something for a romantic partner. That makes absolutely no sense to me. Wouldn't it be SELFLESS to do something for a romantic partner, not the other way around. If someone does something selfless for a parent या sibling या family member, they're praised, but if they do something for their romantic partner, suddenly it's selfish? What?? I don't like how if someone does something for romantic love, then they're branded as lovesick, lustful, weak girls who are unfeminist and support the patriarchy. Pocahontas's choice could be flipped the other way. That she doesn't प्यार John Smith "enough" because she wouldn't leave for him. It's ridiculous. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना KataraLover said…
I think that Aurora's peasant dress is OVERRATED and ugly! The neckline is too high for my taste, I hate collars, the sleeves look too short and kind of awkward for some reason, and grey is such a horrible color! Of all the colors they could've chosen for her, why grey? It's such a boring and DULL color! As a theatre major in college, I've taken classes that talk about costume designs and how they should represent a character's personality and their situation. Snow White's dress showed what an optimistic, colorful, and childlike innocent character she was. Even with Elsa her clothes represented her because her outfits at first were conservative (Including having her hair in a bun), showing that she had to hide her powers, until her iconic ice dress and letting her hair down that showed she was embracing her powers and no longer cared (even though the writing of her character CLEARLY didn't show that after Let It Go). What does Aurora's grey dress show about her? Grey is used on characters that are supposed to be dull and lifeless. Why didn't they use a color like purple or something? I know a lot of people love her peasant dress, which is fine, but I just think it's ugly! HORRIBLE color and a bad design.
coolsinger198 commented…
I like it. It isn't my favorite, but I like it. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
wavesurf commented…
It's okay. I like the चोली on it, but that's all. I was happy to see a similar चोली on Ariel's tour of the kingdom dress. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
hirohamada commented…
I don't like Aurora's peasant dress either. I suppose it's being gray to दिखाना modesty and simplicity, as Aurora was a simple, naive, "old-fashioned" peasant girl (Briar Rose) एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना coolsinger198 said…
I feel that they are more Elsa's than there are Anna's in this world.
UnholyNoise commented…
^ this is a really intriguing thought! एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
wavesurf commented…
^Okay. आप mean और people who suffer from anxiety, and have withdrawn personalities vs those that are outgoing, and not as anxious? That could be the case. I don't know... I just think people gravitate to "easy relatability" in a character, and then obsess about it. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
disnerdtobe commented…
That's probably true एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना WinterSpirit809 said…
I don't really dislike any of the princesses. Sure, there are princesses that I prefer over others, and I know each princess has flaws, ever since I started relating to Elsa a little more, I like all princesses.
coolsinger198 commented…
Agree! एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना coolsinger198 said…
Jasmine and Ariel are not alike AT ALL. When people compare Jasmine to Ariel because they are both headstrong and have sass, it gets me very upset because they are completely different people. I think Ariel is more like Pocahontas instead.
wavesurf commented…
I think चमेली is indeed like Ariel, Belle, Pocahontas, Merida, Tiana, and Rapunzel -- in the headstrong, stubborn, and sass regard. All of these princess characters continue to be shades of the same thing-- they are a set of vocal females who simply don't choose to sit around quietly. They are ALL ALIKE, though. It's the settings, the context, and the trappings of the फिल्में that differentiate them... Their foils are the Classic girls and Mulan. डिज़्नी just took the female "fiesty spirit" dynamic from Ariel and kept applying it a thousand different ways (in new iterations over and over). Even Anna and Elsa have a pinch of Ariel's stubborness, and headstrong sass. Moana will likely follow in this same vein. डिज़्नी has rarely changed up the formula that made them a success since 1989. They just reprocess the packaging. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
coolsinger198 commented…
I don't mean personality wise. I mean based on their actions in the movie, and their motives for doing them. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
wavesurf commented…
^Some of their motivations are identical, too, though. डिज़्नी just recycles everything over time. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना WinterSpirit809 said…
Despite being the older sibling, I always like the younger siblings more, especially Frozen and Big Hero 6. Elsa, although I like her, and have been told I am a lot like her because I have depression and I'm quiet. I don't see much of myself in her as an older sister, and her choices are questionable. Tadashi, however- my opinion on him continues to worsen. He is a good brother, and I wish I could be as good as him, and that's why I still like him. Overall, his character wasn't that good and he was a Gary Stu, kind of. I love Hiro and Anna's personalities, I want to be a sister like Anna and Hiro was such a good character, going from an immature kid and I also relate to him.
coolsinger198 commented…
I see what आप mean. Do आप like Lilo या Nani better? एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
WinterSpirit809 commented…
I like both the same actually lol. But I guess Nani a little और but she is the only one. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
scarletunicorn commented…
Tadashi's character works if आप think of him only existing for Hiro's development- who imo is the और interesting character of the two. I don't get how the fandom obsesses that much over Tadashi tbh. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
UnholyNoise commented…
I dunno, I can see why Tadashi is so well-liked. I guess I'm the opposite of आप in that the whole "wise older sibling" thing is one of my प्रिय tropes - and Tadashi had so much influence over Hiro's growth. The younger siblings tend to be the main protags, who are usually less interesting to me. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना coolsinger198 said…
I do not feel that Megara and Esmeralda should be a part of the lineup. I love them so much as characters, but a lot of my friends say they should be, and I disagree with that. As much as I hate to admit it, they are not AS popular as Belle, or Ariel, or Cinderella, Mulan, Jas, etc. If they were, I wouldn't be mad about it, but for all those people making petitions about it, it isn't going to do anything.
wavesurf commented…
^This is similar to the constant petitioning to get Anna and Elsa to शामिल होइए the डिज़्नी Princess lineup. It is something to do, but perhaps a waste of time in the end. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
WinterSpirit809 commented…
I hate petitions. They have them for Jelsa, this, to put Teen Titans on Cartoon Network (sorry unDisney related). Although the last one I wouldn't mind, petitions won't do anything, but annoy the directors. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
disnerdtobe commented…
I agree with you. Megara and Esme don't have that "princess" essence. Tinkerbell, Anna and Elsa do though, which is why I support टिंकर बेल being a princess even though she's technically a fairy. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना deedragongirl said…
Belle reminds me of Bella Swan from the Twilight Saga.
Sparklefairy375 commented…
But at least Belle still have और face expressions than her. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
wavesurf commented…
^That is true. Kristen Stewart's अभिनय is very wooden, just like Emma Watson's अभिनय is. But Belle is not that exciting a character संपूर्ण, कुल मिलाकर anyway, so it's just a role. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
AudreyFreak commented…
^really disagree on KStew. Watch some of her movies- she's played a fairy tale princess warrior, an introspective rape victim dealing with high school, a rough partying tomboy rock star, a snobby older sister, a snarky runaway teen, etc. She needs और emotional range to be sure but she's proven she's quite capable of playing various roles, whereas as आप noted, Emma isn't. And Bella isn't even that bad एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
disnerdtobe commented…
^agree on the KStew part. KStew is actually a better actress than people give her credit for. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
एक साल  से अधिक पुराना Sparklefairy375 said…
I started to think Mulan was a bit overrated here. I know, almost peoples loved her (including me too.) but I never saw anyone told about her flaws, opposited with the others (from Snow until Elsa) who still have flaws. It seems like she's the most perfect of them all, without flaws (seriously?) instead all characters certainly have some flaws.
wavesurf commented…
^Overrated? मूलन was never as लोकप्रिय as Elsa is, सिंडरेला is, या Ariel has been. And even barring that, मूलन is the heroine/princess who starts out with cheating, laziness, tardiness, slowness, lack of coordiation, stubbornness, a rebellious streak, and a mouth on her. मूलन does work on these flaws quite a bit...because the army pretty much kicks her butt into gear. The only things left of "the old Mulan" after the army whips her into physical and mental shape-- is her rebelliousness ( taking the last तोप without asking), and her mouthy side. मूलन still talks back to Shang when he tells her to leave the area in front of the Emperor's palace. मूलन won't leave, which shows her stubbornness is still present. So some of the old मूलन is still in there. Honestly, मूलन reminds me so much of a younger Grandma Fa. Weird to visualize, I know. But yeah... एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
Sparklefairy375 commented…
^Calm down. I कहा "Mulan is a bit overrated here" which mean in फैन्पॉप (especially in this club), not in outside. Because almost every peoples adore her so much. I'm just never saw any opinions about Mulan's flaws on Fanpop, the mostly are Ariel, Jasmine, Tiana, Merida, and Elsa. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
wavesurf commented…
^Yes, we commonly discuss Ariel's flaws extensively, Merida's flaws extensively, Elsa's flaws extensively, Tiana's sometimes, and ( not very often) a few of Jasmine's, Belle's, and Mulan's. मूलन is flawed as well. Yes, people like her on here ( as a rule). There are मूलन haters here on this board as well, though. As for flaws, I remember an लेख series I did on the flaws in every single डिज़्नी princess --> link Anyhow, opinions on the DP flaws vary considerably... as आप well know. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना
disnerdtobe commented…
मूलन is "overrated" everywhere. Even डिज़्नी haters, DP haters, and feminazis worship her, precisely for that reason. So you're definitely right. The only people who have any criticism is AudreyFreak and Avatar_TLA_fan (I read some of their लेखाए before joining this club). So yes, मूलन has a better rep than the other princesses, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. In fact, मूलन is even और "overrated" outside of fanpop. Here, she still gets a little bit of criticism (not much, but some, which is a lot when आप compare to the rest of the internet). She only isn't successful when it comes to merchandise, because little girls want to buy और "princessy" and girly things. They rather buy Cinderella's ballgown than Mulan's robe. एक साल  से अधिक पुराना